Gun control

Trollface_sl said:

duppin. your jimmies are seriously rustled.

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I just want to know why these guys are protecting child molesters.

Duppin_sl said:

I'm curious; was everyone who isn't 100% pro-gun molested with firearms as a child?

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Just you bro, just you. In fact, if anything, you are the one protecting a child molester. Just turn in your dad okay, he never loved you, he just liked using you.

Oh, whew. I'm glad to know it's just me.

So there are other reasons to have views like mine on gun control, then?

Okay, time to stop being lazy and practice guitar some.

Post your various insults here, I'll get to them later.

So let us recap. Duppin believes that...

1) America's fascination with guns is our biggest problem. Bigger than health care. Poverty. Class mobility. Wealth distribution. Wage stagnation. Political funding. Corporate political influence. Education. Hunger.

2) Magazines should be capped at 20 rounds. Even though this has been shown time and time again that this would essentially have zero effect on homicides because all total rifles are used in less than 3% of homicides and of those, many aren't using high capacity magazines or could have simply switched magazines more often. Not like the elementary school kids were gonna make it hard to reload.

3) NFA trusts have him all worked up, even though we still don't have a single instance of them being used in a crime and they leave a paper trail that can be tracked.

4) He is apparently concerned about people converting semi-autos to full-autos by simply drilling them, even though full-auto firearms are pretty much NEVER used in crime, the simple drill conversions tend to result in completely unsafe firearms and in the best case aren't any more effective anyway.

5) Thinks "a great place to start" in fighting homicides is to start with the 4 proposals above, but completely ignores any talk of the effect the drug war has had on inner cities.

Did I miss anything?

Moving away from Duppin,

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,6083179.story

Looks like Illinois is soon going to allow concealed carry. My understanding is the current bill requires a 2-day course. Hopefully it doesn't have a residency requirement or I might have to switch residency to IL temporarily to get it.

Another nice thing about the bill is that supposedly it will help deal with the silly patchwork set of laws for transporting guns in IL that pretty much force you to violate the laws in some random town anytime you are driving through IL with a firearm.

I live in St. Louis but my father lives in IL and has a bunch of farmland in Bond County.

Duppin_sl said:

Those are certainly issues, and major ones. However, you'll find very few people that say, for instance, that poverty is a good thing that we shouldn't try to work on eradicating.

Guns are so heavily embedded into our culture, and the NRA does such an effective job of propagandizing the stupid and scaring legislators, that a solution is effectively impossible. If you can't manage to move the needle after something as horrific as Newtown, what hope is there?

Fuck, you know what the NRA's response to Newtown was, in the main? MORE guns in schools. I cannot think of anything that more transparently shows their true agenda than that.

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Why should the needle be moved, though? What gun control legislation has been proposed that would have stopped Newtown from happening? Or Aurora? Or Virginia Tech? Farts in the fucking wind, politicians proposing laws just so they can be seen doing something for reelection purposes.

Guns are not a problem. Gun violence is a problem. Well, violence in general. You are equating guns to poverty, that is false. You should be equating the violence.