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khalid

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Actually, the burden is on you to actually come out and say whether you think that the authors of the NFA meant for NFA trusts to be possible, rather than continuing to hide behind "lawl it's never been used in a crime", which I never even asserted to the contrary.
How is the burden on me? NFA trusts are currently legal, so of course the burden is on you. Are you really this fucking stupid?

Duppin_sl said:
When some guy with an NFA trust stockpile flips out and goes on a killing spree, it's going to be absolutely epic, though.
Again, your shocking lack of knowledge is fucking you up. Full auto is really no more deadly than semi-auto and is more about suppression than killing people. So yeah, even if at some point some NFA guy does go on a killing spree, it won't matter, since he could have legally obtained those weapons without the trust and it isn't as if the weapons are more deadly anyway.
 

Duppin_sl

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Also, you want to know something neat that I just found out?

Christopher Dorner, by his own admission, used aNFA trust to buy silencers and a SBR in Nevada.

"Referring to a computer program available from the personal finance software company Quicken, Mr. Dorner wrote, "I was able to use a trust account that I created on quicken will maker and a $10 notary charge at a mailbox etc. to obtain them legally." Mr. Dorner was not a felon and probably would have passed a background check had he received one."

Isn't that fascinating?
 

Loser Araysar

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I actually never seen someone so uninformed on an issue on these boards, even merlin.

I mean this is Seal Team 6 + Seal Team 4 level of retardation.
 

Duppin_sl

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How is the burden on me? NFA trusts are currently legal, so of course the burden is on you. Are you really this fucking stupid?
Why you dodging the question, brah? Did the writers of the NFA intend for NFA trusts to be possible, or not?

Oh, by the way, there are lots more things available via an NFA trust than just full-auto weapons. I've done my homework.
 

khalid

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You should read that article, it points out many times why trusts are useful and why they aren't a problem.
 

Duppin_sl

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You should read that article, it points out many times why trusts are useful and why they aren't a problem.
You're right, there's unanimous support in that article for NFA trusts in their current form. Wait, shit, what's this?

A FREAKIN' GUN STORE OWNER_sl said:
Bob Irwin, who owns the Gun Store in Las Vegas, said his store always performed background checks for firearm purchases involving trusts - the store has handled three so far this year - but he was aware that some dealers did not.

The gaps in the law that allow such lapses, he said, are "astronomically stupid."

"That really is a loophole," Mr. Irwin said. "I can certainly see how a felon could wind his way through it and end up with machine guns."
 

Burnesto

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You didn't prove he used those weapons to commit his killing spree though. Just that he used it to get them.
 

khalid

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Oh, by the way, there are lots more things available via an NFA trust than just full-auto weapons. I've done my homework.
ROFL, yeah like SBRs and suppressors? How often are those used in crimes? Again, pretty much never.

So YET AGAIN you are wanting to create new laws to stop a problem that doesn't exist. All because someone molested you with a rifle barrel when you were a kid.
 

Duppin_sl

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By the way, if it makes you guys feel better, you can continue to make jokes about me being sodomized with rifles (this keeps coming up a little too often, are you guys transferring?) and such, but let me make something absolutely clear:

I'm not here to be popular. I could give two giant greasy Taco Bell shits of your opinion of me.
 

Duppin_sl

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So by "loophole" you mean that someone could legally get a weapon through a NFA trust and then illegally give to someone else? That isn't a fucking loophole you stupid fuck, it is still illegal.
This is a guy who is selling NFA weapons, you stupid fuck. He's not giving away anything, he's choosing to do background checks where he isn't required to by law, and HE thinks that loophole should be closed.

Again, from the article:

ATF Guy_sl said:
Mike Campbell, a spokesman for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which enforces firearms regulations, said that applications filed with the A.T.F. for transfers of restricted firearms to trusts or corporations have more than doubled in the last four years, to more than 39,000 in 2012 from about 15,000 in 2008. He said the increase was largely attributable to the growth in the number of trusts.

Mr. Campbell confirmed that under current regulations, background checks were not required for the buying of restricted firearms through trusts. The agency, he added, was aware of the loophole and was reviewing changes to close it.
But sure, keep claiming that I'M uninformed.
 

khalid

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Just to make it absolutely clear, none of us care if you are here to be popular. We just think your obsession with new laws that would have no effect on crime is a clear indication of some serious psychological issues. Your lack of logic and gasping at straws is saddening.

We aren't making jokes, we are actually hoping that you seek medical help to get past your issues.
 

Loser Araysar

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Agreed, get help Duppin. My guess is that you were molested at gun point as a child, you did mention that you were around guns as a kid.

Dont let that uncle get away with it. Take back control of your life.
 

Duppin_sl

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I'm curious; was everyone who isn't 100% pro-gun molested with firearms as a child? If so, why haven't you alerted the authorities about this massive problem? You could technically be an accessory if you know of this happening and haven't told anyone.