This depends entirely on whether their reasons for caring and/or being angry are reasonable. Millions of people are against gay marriage too, but their reasons are entirely asinine. Does that mean we shouldn't tell them to go fuck themselves?
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Yeah, if you can't argue against the point someone's making, make up a different point and argue against that. I seem to remember there being a name for that tactic...
fanaskin
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I am argueing against your point. you're saying nfa trust weapons make murder go up or otherwise your aguement is entirely asinine and pedantic.
I'm saying gun demographics and murder are opposite the causality you assert, You have said many times the people who like guns are why the murder rate in the country is high (gun culture)
It's alot of money to setup a trust atleast $600 and then the guns themselves can cost thousands of dollars, the kinds of guns that actually kill people that make the biggest impact on murder statistics are $35 cheap saturday night specials. I know you think all guns are the devil but really the people that like guns and are willing to spend thousands of dollars for them are a seperate culture than the people who murder to the point of actually impacting statistics, and it's insulting to reality.
I'm saying gun demographics and murder are opposite the causality you assert, You have said many times the people who like guns are why the murder rate in the country is high (gun culture)
It's alot of money to setup a trust atleast $600 and then the guns themselves can cost thousands of dollars, the kinds of guns that actually kill people that make the biggest impact on murder statistics are $35 cheap saturday night specials. I know you think all guns are the devil but really the people that like guns and are willing to spend thousands of dollars for them are a seperate culture than the people who murder to the point of actually impacting statistics, and it's insulting to reality.
khalid
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Fana, Duppin has ignored every attempt to point out that AWB and magazine capacities would have close to zero effect on homicides. He doesn't want to consider anything else. He has even implied that getting rid of poverty and social inequality wouldn't help, because people will just keep killing people. That even mentioning the war on drugs is a sidenote to gun violence.
Yes, he really is that stupid.
Yes, he really is that stupid.
khalid
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Disagreeing with us does not mean you are stupid. On the other hand...
Saying that peoples fascination with guns is the #1 problem in the US is stupid.
Saying that the war on drugs is a sidenote to gun violence is stupid.
Saying that getting rid of social inequality wouldn't help violence is stupid.
All things that seem to be keynotes in your thesis that the only real way to lower homicides is a ban on high-capacity magazines. I don't really know what else to call you other than stupid. Crazy maybe? Irrational?
khalid
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Well, Duppin did come into the thread and over and over say that anyone that had a gun or wanted a gun must have a small penis. A serious debate on his emotional fear of guns wasn't going to happen.
Gavinmad
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I think moving goal posts is covered under 'misrepresenting the argument', and has nothing to do with you being stupid.
Changed the goal posts? Are you seriously this fucking dense?
Your original request was for an example of a traffic law that had been enacted in the last 20 years.
I replied "Sure. No cell phones while driving".
Then you spent the next two pages babbling about hands free devices and insisting that it somehow made my example not count as a traffic law, because I hadn't specified in my original post that hands-free devices were okay.
I went back and edited that into my original post, and you still continue to insist that you somehow "ripped me another asshole" because you pointed out a minor technicality that had absolutely nothing to do with what was actually being discussed, and that I went back and FIXED.
Also, I'm not afraid of guns. I'm afraid of irrational assholes like all of you having way too many of them.
TrollfaceDeux
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Fadaar
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The only thing almost all NFA trusts will be used for is short barrel rifles (barrel length of <16") or suppressors, neither of which really help any for going on a killing spree. If anything suppressors are a positive, less noise = less hearing loss when using it at a range. There are the extreme minority of people who have the stupid amount of cash to blow on the very few (pre-1986 manufactured) full auto weapons available for civilian ownership, and I don't think your average citizen is going to spend $20,000+ to get hold of a full auto M16 lower receiver when they can do just as much damage with a legal semi-auto or do some shady shit by modifying their own legal semi-auto into a full auto.
Ignatius
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Would be easier and cheaper to just get a slide fire stock. But with the jump to full auto (or worse in the case of the slide fire...bump fire), you run into a whole slew of problems. Namely reliability and expenditure of ammo. Rambo lied, full auto is not used for slaughtering rooms of people. It's for making the other guy take cover and not shoot back at your guys.
Which leads to "well what about drum magainzes"....those are not reliable. If I recall, dipshit at the theater had one and it jammed. Once you get past 30, the reliability starts to plunge.
I believe, and I admit I could be wrong here, that suppressors were regulated around the 30's because of poaching. Today there is the perception that they make a gunshot silent, they are still pretty damn loud, just not bust your ear drums loud.
edit: didnt araysar say he had a grenade launcher? I vaguely remember this lol
Big Phoenix
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Yeah you can always get a bump fire stock but the ATF has a nasty habit of randomly declaring those illegal. Just use a rubberband;
Exactly. Hell standard issue M4/M16-A4s that the Army and Marines use dont even have full auto capability. Just safe, semi, and a very shitty burst which we where never even trained to use.
Gavinmad
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You asked him for any example of a traffic law enacted within the last 20 years, and he gave you one. You then went full Araysar and moved the goalposts while trying to pretend he moved the goalposts. Duppin doesn't need help looking stupid in this thread, but when you spin up your usual faggotry, it undermines the legitimacy of those of us who aren't pulling Araysar-level bullshit to try and 'win' arguments.
Correct: M16-A4s only went up to 3 round burst which we were never trained to use ('03-07). We had some M4's that went full auto but we also never were trained to roll full auto.
JVIRUS
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Grandpa would take his rifle out of his locker after school and go shoot rabbit/fowl with buddies when he was a kid. During my days in high school a kid was suspended for wearing a t-shirt that resembled "gun imagery" ( it was a fucking tetris piece ). We went to the same high school, what the fuck happened?
What's so dumb is that homicides have been between 4 to 10 per 100,000 in the U.S.A since fucking 1900, downward trending after WWII, back up to its peak in the 90's, and is now again trending downward. Seems like the difference is the level of competency from gun owners is for some reason considered much lower than it used to be, even though it has remained stable or is even slowly improving to be more safe. Perhaps this post would be more at home in the pussification of America thread instead.
What's so dumb is that homicides have been between 4 to 10 per 100,000 in the U.S.A since fucking 1900, downward trending after WWII, back up to its peak in the 90's, and is now again trending downward. Seems like the difference is the level of competency from gun owners is for some reason considered much lower than it used to be, even though it has remained stable or is even slowly improving to be more safe. Perhaps this post would be more at home in the pussification of America thread instead.