Gun control

So this lady who was the "voice of the gun rights movement" apparently got shot and killed. Looks like her being armed didn't help much.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33220258.../#.UO67bG_AeSo

Yes because owning and carrying a gun makes you immune to bullets. Well I guess you could also infer that since our soldiers have guns and bombs, and get shot and bombed that they don't need them either right?

Those murder/suicide stories are always so depressing to me. In cases like that I agree with the gun nut argument, if it hadn't been a gun it would have been something else. Obviously there was a serious problem there.

The fact that the word "control" has to follow the word "gun" is dumb. It's like saying "cold ice"-- it should be simply implied. The fact that there is an actual *debate* on the subject is sheer insanity.

You can call me a "Canadian Commie" if you like (it's what my fellow TX co-workers mostly call me), but having witnessed it myself, US gun policy is simply fucking insane. There are people at work who are borderline psychotic that carry concealed handguns. One girl I know for a fact takes at least two anti-depressants yet had no problems getting a concealed handgun license and carries a pink glock in her purse. Madness. Ok, so now the "good guys" need guns to protect themselves from Ms. Pink Glock when she snaps after her boyfriend dumps her for being fat right? Let's just give everyone guns so we can just have one big chain reaction shootout with everyone trying to be a fucking hero. Yeah, that's the solution.. Fucking mind boggling that people actually have this stance, and even more boggling that they believe it so much they are willing to embarrass themselves to the whole world by spewing it over the airwaves.

Even in light of irrefutable statistical facts, such that the US has 10,000+ gun homicides a year, while other modern civilized nations in the range of 50-100, these gunfreaks still can't accept the truth, and when cornered and obviously outgunned both mentally and statistically, will just fall back on the blanket statement that "it's my 2nd amendment right", as if some demi-god last week just descended from the sky and dictated "thou shalt have the right to wield assault rifles", and is not in fact a document written before electricity was invented and the best gun you could buy was a flintlock. Ridiculous.

Frenzied Wombat_sl said:

Even in light of irrefutable statistical facts, such that the US has 10,000+ gun homicides a year, while other modern civilized nations in the range of 50-100, these gunfreaks still can't accept the truth, and when cornered and obviously outgunned both mentally and statistically

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Stop. Try continuing that argument:

1. The US has 10,000+ gun homicides a year.
2. Other modern civilized nations have in the range of 50-100 gun homicides in a year.
3. ???
4. Some subset of "Guns" should be banned from private ownership.

If we're going to play the "my position is obvious" game, let's really do it.

1+2)http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...nership/table/
3) I raise you a question mark ????
4) Any gun beyond the effective minimum needed to protect yourself from a home intruder. No guns are allowed outside your home.

Mikhail Bakunin_sl said:

Stop. Try continuing that argument:

1. The US has 10,000+ gun homicides a year.
2. Other modern civilized nations have in the range of 50-100 gun homicides in a year.
3. ???
4. Some subset of "Guns" should be banned from private ownership.

If we're going to play the "my position is obvious" game, let's really do it.

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aychamo_aycono_sl said:

Can you remind me of what the violent crime rate is in England where guns are practically banned?

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If we're talking murder, it's about a quarter of the rate in the US. Otherwise, "violent crime" is typically pretty tough to compare from one country to the next as the definition is often not the same.

Araysar_sl said:

Another high school shooting this morning in California

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They employ an armed Sheriff's Deputy as a school guard too... guess every school needs TWO armed guards now.

Sorry, I didn't know this was a thread on mass shooting prevention in the US, I thought it was a discussion on the thread title-- "gun control". Particularly the raging argument between civilized society and the NRA/gun lobbyists/2nd amendment nutjobs.

However, to address that specific incident, and the inevitably of others in the future, there is no way to mitigate future shootings via any law, plain and simple. The US has walked so far down this dark path, the country is already supersaturated with heavy weaponry. One could make a law that bans guns entirely and it won't matter at this point as there is so much availability outside retail channels already.

IMHO, all you can do at this point sadly enough is in fact place armed guards in your schools. It's the price paid for an increasingly class divided society, coupled with costly mental health care, and easily accessible assault weapons..

Guard/secure your schools, enact tough gun laws, start a governmental gun buyback program, and then maybe 20-30 years from now the damage can be undone.

Tuco_sl said:

If you want your argument to have any weight, please detail how this would stop someone in the US from shooting up a school. Thanks.

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aychamo_aycono_sl said:

Can you remind me of what the violent crime rate is in England where guns are practically banned?

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Your wish is granted:



From this article:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...frica-U-S.html

Blaming it on the health care system is misplaced. This glaring failure squarely rests on the shoulders of government. In a lot of states, you as s doctor have the right to report a patient with seizures/epilepsy to the DMV, thereby preventing them from driving. There is no reason the same mechanism shouldn't and can't be in place for people diagnosed with "crazy", except for the fact of course that even crazy people have a right to exercise their 2nd amendment, while their is no holy-untouchable amendment when it comes to the right to drive.

aychamo_aycono_sl said:

Honestly I don't know why I'm bothering replying to you. Everything you write is so overly exaggerated and quite ridiculous. I do agree with you on factor though, which is mental health. Our health care records are "private", but I do feel that if patients are diagnosed with certain mental illnesses that we should prevent them from owning or purchasing guns. I'm sure someone will say that is discrimination, but I have seen a ridiculous number of patients where the thought of the owning guns is scary. I'd love to be able to fill out a little form and prevent them from owning guns. However, our litigious country would turn that around on doctors and start suing them if a person with mental disease ever killed anyone and blame it on the doctor for missing it! (And the outrage from the mentally ill when their doctor prevents them from buying a gun.)

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