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khalid

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Soysauceonrice_sl said:
Just look at Obamacare, for example. It was insanely unpopular, with approval rating of only around mid 30 percent. If anything was political suicide, this was it. Yet Obama still clobbered Romney by 130 electoral votes. Calling another push for an AWB (which i don't think has much chance of passing) "political suicide" is just wishful thinking.
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The issue is that Obamacare didn't turn most people into "one issue" voters. Obamacare wasn't popular but few people changed their vote on it. I wasn't a huge fan of it (I wanted single payer) but it didn't factor much into my voting process.

If an AWB almost passes or does pass, then suddenly I am a single issue voter. This is because, unlike Obamacare, now they are directly trying to take some of my property and way of life. There are 5 million AR-15s alone out there, let alone how many other "assault rifles". Almost every gun owner in the US has magazines over 10 rounds now, even if they only have pistols. A great many of these people aren't your stereotypical republican that is reflexively anti-Obama. Suddenly a great many of these could become single-issue voters.
 
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khalid_sl said:
The issue is that Obamacare didn't turn most people into "one issue" voters. Obamacare wasn't popular but few people changed their vote on it. I wasn't a huge fan of it (I wanted single payer) but it didn't factor much into my voting process.
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If it had factored into your voting process what would have been the result besides Obama? Letting the party that will do literally everything in its power to prevent single payer from EVER happening because of HERPDERPSOCIALISMZ!!!1 to gain MORE of an ability to prevent the U.S. from entering the first world? You don't like Obamacare? Fine. But what the fuck makes you think anything better was possible?
 
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khalid_sl said:
There are 5 million AR-15s alone out there, let alone how many other "assault rifles". Almost every gun owner in the US has magazines over 10 rounds now, even if they only have pistols. A great many of these people aren't your stereotypical republican that is reflexively anti-Obama. Suddenly a great many of these could become single-issue voters.
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I would guess way more than 5 million AR-15s. I read that the AR style has been the best selling firearm for almost 10 years now.
 
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Mikhail Bakunin_sl said:
If it had factored into your voting process what would have been the result besides Obama? Letting the party that will do literally everything in its power to prevent single payer from EVER happening because of HERPDERPSOCIALISMZ!!!1 to gain MORE of an ability to prevent the U.S. from entering the first world? You don't like Obamacare? Fine. But what the fuck makes you think anything better was possible?
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Sure, but thats my point. Obamacare was unpopular but that doesn't mean the people against it were suddenly one-issue voters for republicans.
 
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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...un-laws-spikes

So for the last 10 years opinion has been relatively unchanged on gun control laws. Then, even in the wake of Newtown, we see that the majority of people still don't want tougher gun laws. That extra bump they got will continue to go down and there still hasn't been any legislation passed anywhere yet.

However, we do have shit likethisin NY. Banning any magazine over 7 rounds, so any double-stack pistol. Pretty sure that would run into 2nd Amendment issues considering how many firearms it would essentially hit.
 
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It is a stupid argument, and those who pursue it demeans themselves, to make the claim that the second amendment only applies to flintlock rifles and the pistols of the 1770's era. Those who continue to pursue this line are idiots, or they believe that those who are considering what they comment, are. Accepting, or even giving consideration to this line of thought would limit all the other amendments to the particulars of the year or decade that that they were passed. Free speech, for example, would be severely constrained.
 
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TPDDODD_sl said:
It is a stupid argument, and those who pursue it demeans themselves,to make the claim that the second amendment only applies to flintlock rifles and the pistols of the 1770's era.Those who continue to pursue this line are idiots, or they believe that those who are considering what they comment, are. Accepting, or even giving consideration to this line of thought would limit all the other amendments to the particulars of the year or decade that that they were passed. Free speech, for example, would be severely constrained.
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Who exactly are you referring to ? I don't remember seeing anyone making these claims.
 
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Soysauceonrice_sl said:
Who exactly are you referring to ? I don't remember seeing anyone making these claims.
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One of Joe Biden's ex-advisors continue to repeatedly hint at or suggest this. No intelligent individual could accept such a simplistic premise, so it must be aimed at a particular group. It is upsetting to see such a high-profile person engaging in such a misleading line of discussion.
 
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TPDDODD_sl said:
One of Joe Biden's ex-advisors continue to repeatedly hint at or suggest this. No intelligent individual could accept such a simplistic premise, so it must be aimed at a particular group. It is upsetting to see such a high-profile person engaging in such a misleading line of discussion.
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But to say that anyone that advocatessome or morecontrol is totally ignoring the second amendment except for 16th century firearms is an extreme exaggeration, don't you think ? Obviously the more powerful the gun, the more likely it is to be regulated (think fully automatic weapons). If someone were to say that the framers didn't envision how powerful modern guns can become isn't exactly inaccurate, but that also doesn't mean that that person only believes the second amendment should apply to flintlock muskets.
 
ronne

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Thorne_sl said:
I honestly think that if Obama would have ran on a platform of increased gun control that he would not be president right now. What do you think?
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I think that's probably true of any president for the lat 100 years or so. Maybe times/opinion have changed with this last one mess, but I doubt it.
 
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Ronne_sl said:
I think that's probably true of any president for the lat 100 years or so. Maybe times/opinion have changed with this last one mess, but I doubt it.
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If we pass a law that bans the sales of AR-15's because a psychopath used one in a school shooting, then we are fucking doomed as a society.
 
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Soysauceonrice_sl said:
So quote me where Biden's advisor specifically said that the 2nd amendment only applies to 1700s weapons.
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Stop misreading the post. Discontinue mis-construing the content. There was no specifically. There was an attempted inferance by one of the
ex-advisors.

Re-read the post. Ex-advisor. Jared Bernstein.
 
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This seems like a reasonable recommendation.

"The vice president's recommendations are likely to include a variety of ways to bolster prosecutions under existing gun laws, collect more information about gun violence and improve databases for background checks, including more financing for such goals. Just 44 people were charged with lying on background check forms in 2010, even though 80,000 would-be purchasers were denied guns for providing inaccurate information about their criminal histories."
 
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