Health Care Thread

Big Phoenix_sl said:

I'm not saying let your chemo cocktail be OTC, just that there is a lot of meds out there that should be OTC.

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Vaclav_sl said:

Because as demonstrated in this thread - people understand their healthcare and are perfect judges on differences.

Most see the ~8% average increase this year and yell "OBAMACARE!" not realizing that Obamacare is why it's 8% and not 20%

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Blakkheim_sl said:

LOL keep spinning.

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Vaclav_sl said:

Spinning? It's fact - alot of people are stupid when it comes to the details of something as in depth as health insurance. Look earlier in the thread - we've got people talking about reduced deductibles earlier in the thread as a BAD thing to pay slightly more for.

Hell, to reinforce stupid there's people that see your second link (like you for example) that say "Wow, oh shit that's bad" - not realizing that every online application isn't approved without a human to finalize the process - so all that's really saying is the "preapproval" gets false positives. You know, similar to how 12 year olds can get preapproved for a Credit Card, then when a human looks at it, it gets bounced.

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The Obama administration says six of the GAO's fake online applications were blocked by eligibility checks built into computer systems at HealthCare.gov.But the GAO says its undercover agents found a way around that, and were able to enroll anyway.

"We are examining this report carefully and will work with GAO to identify additional strategies to strengthen our verification processes," administration spokesman Aaron Albright said. At least on paper, fraudsters risk prosecution and heavy fines.

GAO said its investigators concocted fake identities using invalid Social Security numbers and falsely claiming citizenship or legal residence. In other cases, they made up income figures that would disqualify them from getting subsidies.

Among the findings:

-Contractors processing applications for the government told the GAO that their role was not to ferret out potential fraud.

-Five of six bogus phone applications went through successfully.The one exception involved an applicant who refused to provide a Social Security number.

-Six online applications were snagged by an identity checking system. But investigators just dialed a call center and all six were approved. That seemed to be an open pathway to coverage.

-The GAO also tried to check the reliability of counselors providing in-person assistance. In five out of six cases, investigators were unable to get help. In the final case, the counselor correctly told the undercover investigator that their stated income would not entitle them to subsidized coverage.

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Blakkheim_sl said:

Yes, its bullshit spinning. And you are the master of it.

Undercover probe finds Obamacare vulnerable to fraud
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...care/13021071/

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Vaclav_sl said:

Again as Kreu said - unless they've actually been successful to the point of paying premiums and receiving coverage it doesn't fucking matter. It's not that rare for things that you need to verify who you are preapprove you easily in the early stages and then are handled by in depth auditors at the end who make sure everything is accurate.

What they're reporting are the early stages are prone to fraudulent info working to get estimates and fake the form to get it to get into a "filing state". No different than I could apply for a Capital One card as "Blakkheim Isanidiot - 123 Red Kool-Aid Avenue, Romney's Ass, Massachusetts 12345" with a $2m/yr income under SSN 111-282-5959 and probably get preapproved until someone comes to take a look at it which would happen before the card ever saw my mailbox. Just like none of these bullshit applications are stated to have gotten actually insured or had paid a premium.

And on "bullshit spinning" - if polls were always indicative of people having full knowledge of things we wouldn't see swings in how polls are like with Iraq and other topics. And health insurance is a terribly complicated topic that plenty of people don't understand. [Not to mention about zero people on the right seem to understand the whole "rates were frozen for 3-4 years, so this years rate increase is actually catchup not because of the ACA" thing since it's so terribly underreported on the right]

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Kreugen_sl said:

People would never commit fraud cause they might go to jail... bla bla bla... so I'm just going to ignore this because it doesn't fit with my personal narrative that Obamacare is the greatest thing since Kraft macaroni and cheese... bla bla bla.

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Blakkheim_sl said:

Yet even more bullshit spinning. What you meant to say is youreally really really really reallyhope that "(the applications) are handled by in depth auditors at the end who make sure everything is accurate". This is what your counter argument rides on yet what evidence do we have that any such mechanism exists? So the same people who built this program that has a failure rate of over 60% with approving of fraudulent applications has their shit nailed down tight with their "in depth auditors" on the back end? LOL!

I wonder if its as good as the back end auditors at the IRS?

Billions of fraudulent tax returns continue to plague IRS
http://nypost.com/2014/04/10/billion...to-plague-irs/

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TheBeagle_sl said:

Funny how you in particular have conveniently ignored at least a couple dozen attempts by several posters to demonstrate to you that they don't indeed particularly like Obamacare. You will just go slink into the shadows for a couple weeks and come back with this stupid strawman that you heard on Rush that everyone that challenges your infantile responses are Obama lovers, when in fact it has been shown time and time again that most people here aren't all that enamored of him or his policies.

In short, you're a retard.

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Blakkheim_sl said:

Oh I'm well aware that more than a few of you are deeply disappointed that Obamacare falls short of the full out socialist style single payer stupidity that you all lust for. And for the reading impaired retard such as yourself, everything I have been addressing today has been about "Obamacare" not Obama himself.

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Blakkheim_sl said:

Oh I'm well aware that more than a few of you are deeply disappointed that Obamacare falls short of the full out socialist style single payer stupidity that you all lust for. And for the reading impaired retard such as yourself, everything I have been addressing today has been about "Obamacare" not Obama himself.

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