Hearthstone

Palum_sl said:

This game just lacks a certain social aspect. Maybe it's OK if you and 5 friends get together with iPads or whatever gay shit at Starbucks. Adding WoW guilds + this game would make it infinitely more interesting just for the chats alone. I'd rather idle in Clash of Clans even just to catch replays and shoot the shit in game vs. play Hearthstone.

That plus add 2HG/Emperor and a ton more PvE and I wouldn't mind the shallow card pool at all. I suppose part of the issue is now that I'm playing Naxx + class challenges, it's genuinely fun and makes me want a full game out of this instead of whatever half-ass socially-neutered cash-cow Blizzard designed it to be so they wouldn't have to 'maintain' it.

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I imagine chat rooms and observer mode will make it better, but you're right you don't randomly meet people really. Adding in "raid" decks like the WoW TCG had so it is group PvE would be fun.

I've always figured more shit like that was coming. But its Blizzard so of course its going to get patched in later once they had the game itself working. Didn't they say tournament support is one of the next things currently in development and prioritized? That's another one I expected and I think its a good sign. Probably 2v2 and group modes later, maybe more social factor too.

For what it's worth, I just unlocked Loatheb, put him directly in my favorite deck, managed to get him out in the very first game, and then had the opponent say 'well done' and immediately concede. Right away it seems like he is such a potent tempo-turner...or whatever the official way to say that is.

Blizzard takes forever so don't count on any of that any time soon.

Took them almost a year just to implement the adventures which they talked about at the first Blizzcon with Hearthstone.

Honestly I see Hearthstone becoming a pan-genre game like Heroes at some point.

Loatheb is a really good card. If you're behind most of the time you need spells to even out the board. No spells or just one spell? Not as effective. But you need to play it on the right turn to have the maximum effect, which is why I personally like it a lot.

Hmm might make a Zoo with power overwhelming, egg, and void terror.

Its 4 damage (face/minion), and it's gives you a 4/4 with a 7/9 on turn 4.
Unless the PO stays on the 4/4 after the orginal egg is gone. I need to test that against the computer.

Haven't seen that combo yet, only seen the Power to egg combo.

Column_sl said:

Hmm might make a Zoo with power overwhelming, egg, and void terror.

Its 4 damage (face/minion), and it's gives you a 4/4 with a 7/9 on turn 4.
Unless the PO stays on the 4/4 after the orginal egg is gone. I need to test that against the computer.

Haven't seen that combo yet, only seen the Power to egg combo.

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People have been running it. Void Terror is fantastic in the mirror match, but very risky everywhere else. It's probably worth the high risk on the ladder though, since Zoo matches are so fast it doesn't matter if you drop a game here and there to a bad void terror. Void really sucks when you aren't getting a good combo out of it though.

I havent seen that synergy yet tho.

It's either they run Terror/egg, or PO/egg, but never both.

I'm going to test right now to see if the PO sticks on the 4/4 after you eat it with void. Even late game that is an isane combo for little mana

Column_sl said:

I havent seen that synergy yet tho.

It's either they run Terror/egg, or PO/egg, but never both.

I'm going to test right now to see if the PO sticks on the 4/4 after you eat it with void. Even late game that is an isane combo for little mana

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I've seen that a ton. On multiple streams and in several games on ladder.

So what happens to 4/4 then? does it die or live.

NM it lives, I got it immediately playing a practice game.

That is pretty fucking good

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So what happens to 4/4 then? does it die or live

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You mean the Nerubian from the deathrattle? It's a completely separate creature that never encountered power overwhelming.

He died on turn 6

So you have 2 eggs/2 terrors, and 2 OP's to work with. Might even be good to put in a ton of card draw as well.

Have to rethink that one, that may be some insane shit with undertaker coming in next week.

At that point you're really crossing back over into aggro lock rather than zoo.

Yeah, I'm working on something right now for it. I think the main problem is people are trying to run in it zoo.

Even against a priest that is badass because of the 4/4.

There might be some bad match ups with Handlock ,but if he dies quick it wont matter.

Column_sl said:

So what happens to 4/4 then? does it die or live.

NM it lives, I got it immediately playing a practice game.

That is pretty fucking good

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Why exactly would it die? You're thinking too realistically (i.e. the Void Terror "eats" the card, so the Nerubian must not stay!) Of course it stays dude.

@Gavin

Losing tempo race so I added in 2 Ice Barriers In place of Ysera and Rag and added another Mana Wyrm back in for something, can't remember. Hopefully that helps. I'm not really utilising Duplicate anymore... was when I was first playing it, but ugh now I am starting to feel like it's not worth it. Seems like for me, 9 times out of 10 I'm duplicating Kirin Tor Mage instead of something better for tempo. It's only worthwhile if you Duplicate something that really exploits your resources/deck. Otherwise it's just an Arcane Intellect that you can't even trigger when you want to and it spams your hand with creatures.




Edit: Just tested a few Murmage games with Duplicate and I like it quite a bit. They don't expect Duplicate when they kill the key Murlocs and it gets quite crazy. With Mirror Image and Counterspell it makes it really hard for them to clear your board. Here's the preliminary deck, still needs tinkering once I play test a bit more, but haha it's fun. Just smashed a Paladin that had his Equality Pyro Counterspelled. And then I just had Leeroy Duplicated to finish off my opponent's 17 life.

It beats the common agro mage going around right now really well at least. Anyone have any input? I think it'll end up being more of a fun casual deck, but it may have potential to be reasonably competitive when Mad Scientist comes out. I'm starting to think Echoing Ooze is going to be nerfed to a 1/1 really quickly.

Everyone I've talked to from ranks 2-16 say that 80% of the games are either Zoo or Hunter. I guess Column was right about Naxx just empowering the "faggoty" decks. This game is going to get trapped into a state of repetition if it doesn't do something quick. If you look at all the Naxx cards and do the maths, over 40% of the cards released are good for Zoo. FFS. I hope the last 3 wings do something miraculous to mitigate Zoo, but I know that realistically it's not going anywhere, for reasons we've already discussed. I know I was complaining the other day about playing against Control Paladins all day and having boring long games, and that holds true, I'd still prefer to play Zoo. But at the end of the day, the same thing over and over again will always be complained about by anyone.

You've essentially got 21 potential new cards for each class. Here are the cards either good, really good, or perfect for Zoo:

Haunted Creeper
Nerubian Egg
Zombie Chow
Echoing Slime
Deathlord
Undertaker
Shade of Naxxramas (will need testing, but it's still value and Zoo is about value)
Baron Rivendare
Loatheb (prevents board wipes on turn 5).

You might even consider:
Dancing Swords
Spectral Knight

Those last 2 are a reach, but the point is, they would still theoretically fit in the deck. If the meta changes slightly, Zoo might find itself needing something like Spectral Knight. But a solid 6 of 21 cards being perfect for Zoo is just ridiculous.

That's 8 of 21 right there that can't be argued... And the rest of the debatable cards for a total of 11 of 21.

So play druid or crusher shaman and just destroy zoo all the way to rank 1?

One sketchy draw and crusher shaman will get eaten by zoo, its not like an auto win.