Hearthstone

Column_sl said:

Because obviously new players need to learn all the metas, need to learn exactly what every card does. That is what makes you a good player. Knowing exactly what your opponent is coming with at all times.

Playing a deck that is barely good in the current meta is not wise. Not to mention it's not one of the easiest decks to play for beginners.

Those above decks will not get you discouraged, and you can begin to understand how to play the game.

Everyone wants to win...I'm not understanding your logic behind " Tee Hee Hee I just play the game for fun guys", and then enter a thread like this asking questions.
If you didn't care about winning you wouldn't be in here.

FYI Crusher shaman is extremely easy to play ,and still deadly in this season. I could easily get to legend off that deck.

The current game is all constructed btw. Everything comes from constructed, and the new tournament ladder will be based off it. Arena is absolutely the worst place to learn how to play hearthstone. You are not even dealing with tournament standards of only having max 2 cards...

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Yeah learning all the metas a month before they will be shattered by an expansion is sooooo important.

You could not be more wrong about Arena being the worst place to learn the game. It requires no collection to play, gives you the potential to play with, and play against every single card in the game. It is the best way to build your collection and is far, far faster than trying to grind out ranked wins with a cancer deck that can easily burn a new player out and bore them to tears.

Again, you're missing the point about the simple fact that not everyone is interested in min maxing. You're talking like he has the mindset of someone that has been playing for months and is trying to get higher and higher ranks every season. Who the fuck cares about your rank when you're new and know you won't be hitting legend any time soon? You're evaluating a casual game far too seriously and forgetting that it's meant to be fun and not bleeding edge competitive. There is a competitive scene in HS, but it is an infinitesimally small portion of the playerbase. A lot of players find grinding ranks every season to be rather tedious and without reward. What's the point of it, really? Unless you're super competitive.

Arena is where it's at, particularly so for a new player. Building your collection through the arena so you can slowly build more ranked decks is highly rewarding and fun. Grinding ranked with a tiny, new collection for tiny amounts of gold with the same two boring decks is *not* fun, at least not for most of us. The single best part about being a new HS player is seeing new cards, getting to play new cards, and building your collection. It's the most fun a lot players have ever had in HS and arena is the best way to do that.

I'm friends with Crusher on B.Net. He isn't legend with that deck (he keeps getting to 3 and then backsliding to 5). He has been able to get legend with it every other season though.

Arena is where it's at, particularly so for a new player. Building your collection through the arena so you can slowly build more ranked decks is highly rewarding and fun. Grinding ranked with a tiny, new collection for tiny amounts of gold with the same two boring decks is *not* fun, at least not for most of us. The single best part about being a new HS player is seeing new cards, getting to play new cards, and building your collection. It's the most fun a lot players have ever had in HS and arena is the best way to do that.

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You just said that all players dont care about min maxing, then go right into tellling them the most effective way to get cards.
You just make no sense man.

What possibly could you not understand, of why putting a new player in arena breeds bad habits. The game is constructed, Blizzard has deemed it that way or there would be Arena ladders, and Arena tournaments.

You cant even fireside an arena match locally. The arena game has no basis on constructed, it works on a completely different ruleset.

Column_sl said:

How would a bot play crusher shaman?? lol, bots just continually throw out taunts, or play low cost agro decks.

Crusher is neither of those...

The reason I mentioned Crusher is it's not at such a high level of play that a new player would be discouraged immediately, but it takes more skill then the low cost face/control decks.

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I wasn't saying the botters were running crusher. But there were lots shaman last season and now I'm seeing almost none, currently hovering at 5/6. I can't remember the last time I saw anyone running crusher shaman though. Its a cool deck but it seems pretty inconsistent and crazy slow for this meta.

Column_sl said:

The game is constructed, Blizzard has deemed it that way or there would be Arena ladders, and Arena tournaments.

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Blizzard is just now getting around to spectator mode. I don't think lack of any specific features is evidence of anything but their usual slow pace.

Crusher isn't that slow. Its turn 3 is a 4/7 with taunt.....

Can it draw out a long game? yes

Also it can be consistent, Its draw power isn't regulated by one synergy such as building up a UT.
It also has answers for every turn.

When you say inconsistent decks I think of decks like pally avenge.

Is it the best deck to play right now? of course not. Laddering is based off how many counters you have for the deck you are using, and what time of the day is the best to play that deck.
Crusher can be supplemented into those 3-5 decks you planned out as you go through the ladder quite effectively. Hell, I was using it last week when I took cancer all the way up.

It's the perfect deck imo if you are feeling that the current meta decks are too formula-tic ( Although IMO crusher is very formula based). You just need to take a little more thought with your mulligans versus the current hunter/zoo nonsense.

Famm_sl said:

Blizzard is just now getting around to spectator mode. I don't think lack of any specific features is evidence of anything but their usual slow pace.

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If you think Arena is the standard, you haven't been playing this game since Alpha.

The game has 100% gone to constructed. Arena is just a way for them to make more money.

Like I said, I can't even do something as simple as fireside an arena match with friends locally...
Knowing Blizzard after 10 years of wow, the chances of Arena ever breaking out of pay to play, or slim to none.

I don't think its the standard. I just think there's far more obvious reasons than the lack of depth they've programmed into it. Blizzard could add tons of features to constructed as well, but they don't because they are slow as fuck.

Ya I'm just trying to learn the ins and outs of the game and get as many cards as I can so I can start building decks. I will say that so far Shaman has been my next favorite to play with so far....I tend to like buffing up a couple minions and then smashing someone's face in. Seems like druids and Shammies are best at that, but then again I'm a total newb. Will check out a crusher shaman, but I already have lots of blue druid cards, which is kind of why I started playing it to begin with.

Yeah, I don't believe that for a second.

They could easily have a casual arena bracket.

Blizzard from the first invitational brought constructed to the forefront, when in Alpha people were primarily playing arena.
There is no doubt in my mind that Arena will always be the red headed step child of hearthstone, and I doubt it will ever come off the pay to play.

I'm sure if it was up to Blizzard they would get rid of single deck ladder constructed completely in favor of tournament multi decks. The only reason they can't is because of the shear amount a time a player would have to invest to finish a tournament.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a shift of all major awards going towards their Tournament game type in the next year which puts Arena even farther down the list.

Whatever you say dude. There's a difference between the min maxing you're talking about, which is a very narrow mindset, and the "min maxing" you accuse me of, which is basically just doing the best with what you've got for a deck/class that you enjoy. It's a little surreal how set your mindset is regarding Hearthstone, you talk as if it's ubiquitous and use arbitrary information such as Blizzard's support for a type of tournament as an argument that (X) matters and therefore (Y) does not matter. It's a little silly. I know it's a hard pill for you to swallow, but most of Blizzard's customers are indeed casual and do indeed play the games that they play, for "fun". Having fun and making the best deck you can are not mutually exclusive. Having fun and feeling forced to min/max to its pinnacle and play a very specific deck "because that's what the "meta" is" and that's your best chance at winning arbitrary, pointless, ranks IS mostly mutually exclusive.

Arena matters if the person playing it enjoys it. End of story. I challenge you to find even a small percentage of people that didn't enjoy the fuck out of their early HS days when they were building their collection and enabling more and more decks to be built (which is best done via arena, don't know of anyone that argues that arena isn't the best way to build your collection...) There is no ultimate HS endgame man. You've been drinking too much Koolaid. TheBeagle has the information, and can make his own choice now. He can play Arena to build his collection and build a cancer deck at the same time as well, btw, again, not mutually exclusive. Altho I doubt a new player will have more fun grinding 25 wins with the same deck over and over to get a single pack (or getting ripped off buying them straight) rather than playing with fun rares/epics and legendaries they don't own and getting a pack every half a dozen games. But you talk as if cancer is *the* way and the only way for a new player to play, and it's rather silly. I guess there are no other decks on ladder atm, or in casual, specially at a new players MMR? Right... Agree to disagree I guess.

Here is a budge ramp deck and a budget spell deck TheBeagle. I had a shit ton of fun playing a Druid spell deck when I first started and had a small collection. Druid was my first class to 60. It still does quite well, even if it isn't popular. It does require x2 Gadgetzen Auctioneer though, but if you get your hands on a pair, it's a lot of fun and you can use Auctioneer in quite a few decks and it will be even more valuable/versatile after the expansion. Almost everything else in the deck is completely free, only a couple of commons. Exchange a Lord of the Arena with the Sunwalker until you get one, and a Healing Touch with the Ancient of Lore. These are just basic framework ideas though, but are pretty much the best free/common cards you can use until you get a bit of a collection. You can also easily find a budget druid agro via google.

Might as well run Sludge Belchers instead of Fen Creepers. I'd assume even if you're new you've unlocked Naxx by the time you're asking for deck advice.

Or wait, I guess he's literally going FTP, my bad.

You wrote that whole book that Hearthstone is primarily casuals, so what does that make Arena?

A game set that you cant even play casually with friends....

Hey I'm with everyone that says I wish they would diversify heartstone abit, but It ain't happening. We screamed in Alpha that both constructed, and arena should have casual ,or ladder play with equal rewards. They clearly ignored that..

As soon as that tournament gameset launches Arena will go even further down that ladder with 3 different gamesets in their client.

Yeah I've actually been tempted to playtest Fen Creeper in place of Sludge Belcher. Seems like a no brainer that Belcher is better, but I wonder if that one extra health on the front creature can be better than deathrattling 2 health taunt.

Yeah when I ladder as priest I usually concede to handlock just to speed things up. Even with a nuts draw by the priest and a bad draw by the lock, handlock is still ridiculously favored in that match. You can't maintain control of the board AND have the burst to kill him before Jaraxxus wrecks you, it's basically impossible.

Morrow_sl said:

Here is a budge ramp deck and a budget spell deck TheBeagle. I had a shit ton of fun playing a Druid spell deck when I first started and had a small collection. Druid was my first class to 60. It still does quite well, even if it isn't popular. It does require x2 Gadgetzen Auctioneer though, but if you get your hands on a pair, it's a lot of fun and you can use Auctioneer in quite a few decks and it will be even more valuable/versatile after the expansion. Almost everything else in the deck is completely free, only a couple of commons. Exchange a Lord of the Arena with the Sunwalker until you get one, and a Healing Touch with the Ancient of Lore. These are just basic framework ideas though, but are pretty much the best free/common cards you can use until you get a bit of a collection. You can also easily find a budget druid agro via google.

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Thanks!

Gavinmad_sl said:

Yeah I've actually been tempted to playtest Fen Creeper in place of Sludge Belcher. Seems like a no brainer that Belcher is better, but I wonder if that one extra health on the front creature can be better than deathrattling 2 health taunt.

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Well if they silence, sheep or hex it its the same net result. Hard removal they have a second minon to deal with. Shadow word pain leaves a second minion to deal with. Basically there's upsides to Belcher that you won't get from Creeper.

I suck so hard at arena I'm not gonna bother wasting any more $$ on it until I know the game ALOT better. Jesus.