Hearthstone

Hunter is in a rough spot actually. When Undertaker finally gets nerfed, and it will get nerfed, Hunter is going to be a pretty worthless class.

I can't find my post where I stated that Hunters don't need a nerf so much as they need to be completely redone from the ground up. It was either right at the end of Beta or the very beginning of Live. I still stand by that statement but, even back when I originally said that, I knew it would never happen because it was too late into game's development cycle to go back and completely redo a class. It was a pipe dream then so, obviously, it's even more so now. But I still believe that Hunters are poorly designed.

You can't say that a class is "fine" after receiving a crap load of nerfs and is still the #1 class out there. There's, obviously, something wrong. How would I nerf Hunter? I really don't know because there is so much that is wrong with them that I don't think nerfs are the answer. But, again, they will NEVER do a complete class overhaul at this late stage of the game.

With that being said, I wouldn't mind seeing a nerf to Undertaker. That's not a direct Hunter nerf but I think UT is too powerful for what it is and Hunters highlight the problem with him. He's simply too good for a 1 mana minion. Especially when decks are built around him. Again, Hunters spotlight this issue because they have Webspinners to fuel him, Mad Scientists for the free traps, Haunted Creepers for beast synergy. Toss in a couple of Leper Gnomes since they're free, unavoidable, damage and you can see why UT in a Hunter deck is such a problem. With that being said, I rarely get him to snowball to obscene levels but I also don't have to. Even doing UT + Coin + 1 mana deathrattle forces my opponent to jump through some amazingly creative hoops to get rid of him. And it's never an efficient trade to kill him off.

Gavinmad_sl said:

Hunter is in a rough spot actually. When Undertaker finally gets nerfed, and it will get nerfed, Hunter is going to be a pretty worthless class.

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It will just switch back to midrange and still be ok.

You can't say that a class is "fine" after receiving a crap load of nerfs and is still the #1 class out there

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Their hero power was never the problem, it was dumb decisions regarding UTH that has always put them over the top.

Now with Nax cards they seem to be over the top when it was really more dumb decisions by the design crew with no play testing that put them into that spot.

If anything their hero power will degrade over time.

With the new expansion this will be completely thrown out the window. A massive change in power creep compounded with no public play testing will see foolishness all over the board


IMO you throw money at Reynad he fixes Hearthstone from the bottom up. Blizzard doesn't care tho it's just a cash sink to them now.

Yeah I made a Warlock epic that changes your hero power to Affliction spec and allows you to (2) Target minion loses 1 attack and takes 1 damage at the end of each of your turns. If already in Affliction, (2) Target minion loses 2 attack and takes 2 damage at the end of each of your turns. Made a Warrior one that turns your hero ability into (2) Guard: The next 2 damage dealt to target minion is dealt to your hero instead, or (2) Guard the next 4 damage. So it places a permanent little "bubble" basically. I think that'd be cool. My Hunter ability allows you to use Bestial Wrath every turn for +1 attack/immune and +3/immune (so as to encourage Hunters to start trading/interacting with board, rather than going for the face).

The Rogue's is Assassination spec, which equips a 3/1 dagger with Immune and a 5/1 dagger with Immune, to help Rogues deal with losing so much life on using their hero ability. Shaman is Enhancement spec, and gives a target friendly minion Windfury, Divine Shield, or Taunt, level 2 includes +1/+1. Mage summons a 0/3 Arcane Crystal that when takes spell damage, does that much damage to all enemy minions, and level 2 0/6 with +1 Spell damage. Druid's is Boomkin spec (2): Gain +2 Spell damage until end of turn and level (2) Gain +4 Spell damage until end of turn. Paladin is Retribution (2) Give all friendly minions +1 attack until end of turn and (2) +3 attack.

That's just shit I came up with super tired at 4am though. Imagine what Blizzard could do if they actually tried? Hero abilities should allow for much more versatility and board interaction/options imo. And yeah, it allows them to easily tune the Hero abilities, by giving other classes versions of Shadowform. Soooo much potential, but instead we are getting an April Fool's expansion.

I know they are evaluating the time limit on turns right now. I hope to god they lower that shit for the xpac.

Wait, I thought warlocks were supposed to be the OP guys, because with power creep their hero power only gets better, whereas the others remain constant ? I'm confused.

Zaphid_sl said:

Wait, I thought warlocks were supposed to be the OP guys, because with power creep their hero power only gets better, whereas the others remain constant ? I'm confused.

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Warlock Zoo is still insanely good because of the Hero Power. Handlock is also really good too and runs off the Hero Power.

The problem is that both decks are hard countered by the Aggro Hunter decks running loose out there. When I'm playing Face Hunter, I chuckle every time you use that Power because that is 2 points less of damage that I need to do to you. But against the rest of the classes, the Hero Power is still OP as fuck.

I would love speed hearthstone. I would play that exclusively

I always said there is no execution in Heartstone at all much like a twitch multiplayer, but if you lower the time people have to think about a turn then it introduces even the slightest bit of execution into the game

Column_sl said:

Arent you the guy who said Reynads avenge would take you all the way to legend this month? Hows that working out for you buddy

Hunters are powerful because of Nax cards only, but they are fine. There is just as many zoo decks on the ladder as hunters right now.

Good players will always pick the decks with the edge and bad players will always complain about what kills them the most.
A statement that is true in every online competitive game ever made. Thank you for showing that statement still holds true

FYI my first legend was on a Warrior....

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I actually hit rank 5 with that and haven't played much Hearthstone since WOW came out. I just log in and do my dailies. I stand by what I said. It's still a really fun deck. Good players always pick the decks with the edge? So you netdeck... got it. No wonder you hate Arena so much.

I'm sure you've never bitched about anything in hearthstone ever...

slippery_sl said:

Hunter class isn't broken, it's just Undertaker and the fact that Hunter has a good 1 drop deathrattle to go with it

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It's not just webspinner though, they get full value from the pair of neutral 2 drop deathrattles. Undertaker Zoo has to run the sub-par zombie chow to get a second 1 drop deathrattle, and has no good option to replace mad scientist.

Penance_sl said:

I actually hit rank 5 with that and haven't played much Hearthstone since WOW came out. I just log in and do my dailies. I stand by what I said. It's still a really fun deck. Good players always pick the decks with the edge? So you netdeck... got it. No wonder you hate Arena so much.

I'm sure you've never bitched about anything in hearthstone ever...

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That hilarious coming from a person who bragged he was going to make Legend this month on a Netdeck... the most inconsistent netdeck in the game currently. I'm glad I was once again correct and you never made it even close.

Also don't ever put words into my mouth son. At no point in the 2 years I've been in this thread have I ever said anything about hating arena. There's a huge difference between what Blizzard has deemed their top game set versus another player hating something.

I bitch all the time about Hearthstone, the difference between me, and you is I'm bitching about core mechanics not that I'm getting beat on whatever meta is out there. Stop crying, and get better.

Gavinmad_sl said:

It's not just webspinner though, they get full value from the pair of neutral 2 drop deathrattles. Undertaker Zoo has to run the sub-par zombie chow to get a second 1 drop deathrattle, and has no good option to replace mad scientist.

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Reynad already predicted it from day 1. Thats why when the UTH deck he created got nerfed he was like they haven't nerfed the value off of undertaker with the synergy of scientist/webspinner/haunted creeper.

Seananigans_sl said:

Yeah much shorter turns would indeed increase the skill ceiling. When every turn, you're allowed to evaluate every possible choice's outcome (basically), your ceiling drops considerably.

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Here ya go.

For real though they need a "timed" mode where you have half as much time as you do now. Then it can be used at tournaments and such, like speed chess. Like after you hit a certain total amount of time played during your turns in a single game, your turns are limited to 10 seconds max. You get like 6 minutes total, spread out amongst all your turns, once that is up, you only get 10 seconds per turn.