Hearthstone
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Zaphid
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I can't really complain, I'm completely F2P and a few packs per week with occasional arena is fine. The only problem is that once I start looking up decks outside of the zoo and huntard, I run into 800+ dust that I simply don't have and it's stupid to disenchant anything but extras because the dust costs are so lopsided.
You can always make intelligent substitutions when NetDecking as well. It's suboptimal, but since all you get is a card-back from hitting rank 1 one time, who cares?
That's another thing low-rank complainers don't understand. "The game isn't fun for me because I lose against better decks" happens to people playing near the top who've got lots of cards as well. Rank 1 is a still a grind for someone with access to every card in the game.
That's another thing low-rank complainers don't understand. "The game isn't fun for me because I lose against better decks" happens to people playing near the top who've got lots of cards as well. Rank 1 is a still a grind for someone with access to every card in the game.
khalid
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That is silly Tigole.
Every serious hearthstone player already uses the exact card that they want. No top player says "well, shucks, I wish I could run X but instead I'll 'innovate' and try XX because I don't have the card". Hell, this is true even for MTG. When practicing for qualifiers or pro tours, if you don't have the cards you make up proxies. You build the best deck based on all the cards, and if you can't, you won't be able to compete.
Every serious hearthstone player already uses the exact card that they want. No top player says "well, shucks, I wish I could run X but instead I'll 'innovate' and try XX because I don't have the card". Hell, this is true even for MTG. When practicing for qualifiers or pro tours, if you don't have the cards you make up proxies. You build the best deck based on all the cards, and if you can't, you won't be able to compete.
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I've been writing and deleting responses to your posts, so I'll just say I likely don't have enough experience to debate this further with you. All I will say is that from my point of view, the acquisition of cards is not fast enough to sustain the playerbase to stave off stagnation from boredom. I think that's worse than a larger, more transient playerbase.
Were you responding to me? My point wasn't that "serious" hearthstone players use less effective cards, but that less serious players can run similar decks with substitutions. Myotherpoint was that other players who have a lot more cards than you still lose to better decks and still have to grind quite a bit to rank up effectively.
Edit: No, you weren't. I misunderstood you.
At the highest level of course you are correct no "professional" hearthstone player would simply use a worse card because doesn't have it, He would just get the best cards.
But, I'm not talking about professional players I'm talking about the 98% of players who don't have complete sets. If every single magic/hearthstone player could play every deck in creation any day of the week then the desire to play would diminish and it would be boring for a large portion of players.
Its the same reason Arena is so popular they like making new decks with what they have. If everyone had the same stuff, people wouldn't pay as much attention to streamers/High end tournaments then they would not buy as many packs then they would not play as often and the entire system falls apart.
Besides, If you take away a casual players biggest excuse for being bad at the game (I don't have as many legendaries as the guy who beat me) Then what are they going to complain about?
I'm not trying to be antagonistic with my posts but I feel that this is a lot of peoples first time playing a card game and they don't know what to expect. Hearthstone is VERY newb friendly and getting packs for free is unheard of anywhere else. There is a lot of work going into making the game profitable and making sure people have a good time.
Morrow
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To the neg rep about me being a liar regarding HoTS alpha and someone offering $400 and that leading me to research selling HS accounts and finding nada. If you scroll back far enough in the HoTS thread here, you can see that I've posted a screenshot of my access to HoTs in first wave alpha and the accompanying offer. Seriously? Descent back to the old rep system apparently. So go ahead and throw another couple negs just for laughing at you taking the time to neg someone and call them a liar for silly arbitrary reasons.
Annnnyways. It definitely is hard to build a collection, but I don't buy the "play all the time" and disenchant all goldens and you've only been able to craft ~3000 worth of dust. I consider myself casual, I don't play more than 1-2 hours a day, but have been playing off and on (mostly on) since beta. I have 1200 wins in constructed and 1400 in arena and before GvG I could make every competitive deck if I wanted to and I've spent around $40 max on this game via arena purchases back before I went infinite arena for a few weeks. Granted, those 4-5 weeks of being infinite arena accounted for 25% of my collection, but still, there are tons of casual players that have all the important classic stuff and have never spent a dime. HS is a card game and is far cheaper than any other card game I've ever played. Star Wars CCG was massively expensive, MTG is even more expensive now, hell, Pokemon was expensive. Although yes, HS should be cheaper, the cards aren't real, they aren't collectibles the way the other physical card games are.
Still, I do understand your frustration starting out. I felt that way as well, but I just found niche decks to play and had fun building my collection via arena. The thing is, if you don't enjoy building your collection and getting the right cards slowly, yet you want to play for free, than this simply most likely isn't the game for you.
Annnnyways. It definitely is hard to build a collection, but I don't buy the "play all the time" and disenchant all goldens and you've only been able to craft ~3000 worth of dust. I consider myself casual, I don't play more than 1-2 hours a day, but have been playing off and on (mostly on) since beta. I have 1200 wins in constructed and 1400 in arena and before GvG I could make every competitive deck if I wanted to and I've spent around $40 max on this game via arena purchases back before I went infinite arena for a few weeks. Granted, those 4-5 weeks of being infinite arena accounted for 25% of my collection, but still, there are tons of casual players that have all the important classic stuff and have never spent a dime. HS is a card game and is far cheaper than any other card game I've ever played. Star Wars CCG was massively expensive, MTG is even more expensive now, hell, Pokemon was expensive. Although yes, HS should be cheaper, the cards aren't real, they aren't collectibles the way the other physical card games are.
Still, I do understand your frustration starting out. I felt that way as well, but I just found niche decks to play and had fun building my collection via arena. The thing is, if you don't enjoy building your collection and getting the right cards slowly, yet you want to play for free, than this simply most likely isn't the game for you.
In fairness one of the reasons the cards are easier to acquire is there is no trading functionality, which is present in other CCGs (even digital ones). And trading/sharing cards can help people out quite a bit early one if they know people who play.
I wish they kept the old Diablo Real money Auction house and adopted it towards hearthstone.
Vanderhoof
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I spent thousands of dollars on M:tG over the years and I probably came close to breaking even when I sold my collection. I don't mind dropping a couple hundred bucks annually to compete in a game I enjoy. Factoring cost of travel and then consider I don't have to be in the presense of M:tG players, I find Hearthstone to be a good investment.
Alex
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I'm just upset I'm stuck to earning GvG packs in Arena now. I don't really have a problem with the grind. I'm just still missing a shitload of the necessary cards from previous availability. I don't think GvG is so good that the older cards are completely obsolete now.
Agreed 100%, In the future I think they will have to move towards a "Booster Credit" Ticket system that both Magic and Pokemon online use. Basically you win a draft and you get a coupon for one free pack from the store.
It's just a matter of time before they do that or some sort of pack exchange program imo,
Gavinmad
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Delly
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Has anyone done a guide to drafting arena now that GvG is out? My win rate in arena has plummeted to god awful levels after the patch, even when I feel like I'm drafting good cards/combos. Not that I was ever amazing but usually I'd be in the 5-6 win area on average and now it seems like I'm in the 3-4 range and sometimes that is a struggle.
A lot of people are having issue drafting the new format and what I've noticed is card value has gone waaayyy down and now it's all about board control. Whomever has board control on turn 5-6 is most likely going to win the game.
Sometimes making inefficient trades to keep his side clear and yours with a minion is paramount in this format. Of course don't be terrible about it but being super cautious will cause you to get steamrolled and lose now.
Card draw and silence are two things not very present in the new GVG packs so make sure you can compensate for it with your other picks. I've found Jeeves to be pretty bonkers in arena as long as you play him at the right time.
Gavinmad
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