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Gavinmad

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I just play hunters as if they didn't have UTH in their decks and it works fine for me. There's very little point in trying to play around UTH.

You obviously never played MTG at a high level and also SWCCG at a high level nor spoke to anyone that as, or they'd explain to you why SWCCG was a vastly more complex and difficult game with a higher skill base than MTG. SWCCG was infinitely more complex than MTG. The difference between SWCCG and MTG makes the difference between HS and MTG look like a joke. You're laughing because you are making an assumption, hearing the name Star Wars and assuming you know what you're talking about, probably picturing the wrong game to boot. It's always laughable when MTG fanatics that never played SWCCG at a high level talk about how MTG was more difficult or required more skill than SWCCG. you don't even realize how bad of a blind fanboy you look like. and I'm a huge MTG fan.
You call me a fanboy when you spout off with this shit as soon as someone badmouths your precious Star Wars. Yeah...
 

Vaclav

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I just play hunters as if they didn't have UTH in their decks and it works fine for me. There's very little point in trying to play around UTH.
Depends on how and when they hit it - if they hit it with the right synergies at the same time it's basically an autowin against basically anything except another Hunter with explosive trap up - and even that can be avoided just with rarer setups. (i.e. the immunity card on a hyena or a hyena already at 3+ when the trap goes off with charge from a rhino/etc)

And with enough cards pulled off a Bird it can make pulling off a rare combo not so rare, even off just two cards in hand.
 

Column_sl

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My thoughts, after playing well over 100 matches with the UTH deck is that anything that doesn't damage your opponent in the first 6 rounds isn't worth putting in except for an owl.
So birds, Hyenas, all that shit you are hurting yourself because not only does it take up a slot that may have been a Leeroy or UTH, but you are not setting them up for the 6th round.

People feel like they can survive with the UTH deck if things go wrong, but that is the wrong mentality going in. The whole point of the deck was fast wins or fast losses. There are way better decks to play midgame on.
What Gavinrad says about avoiding UTH is very true. There is no way to avoid it, all you can do is prepare for it by playing early taunts/secrets especially on turn 5, because the hurts coming on turn 6.

It's easy to see when they are playing UTH from the first two rounds, so instantly you should be saying to yourself this is going to be a 6 round match, and how do I force him into the later rounds where I will win.

The common mistake people make is they play allot of minions on turns 3-5 because they get way to anxious. You have to look at it from the perspective of whatever I put on the board from turns 1-5 I've given UTH a point of my life.
That is my opinion on it, you may disagree but I've won a shitload of games with UTH, and still use it well into rank 3.
The difference is I play that deck with other decks to strategically climb up the ladder versus people that can't get out of the mindset of only playing one meta deck over, and over.
 

Vaclav

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Server for HS down or something? Game not going past opening splash screen

Edit: Weird, just on one account, other account logs in fine.
 

slippery

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I hope you chose the Shieldbearer. They're actually rather useful.
That's what I went with, it actually got buffed to a 3/5 in a game lol

So, I'm playing on an EU account since my arena's have been pretty bad on NA the past couple days. Just beat a guy (well, really, the game wasn't over but he rage conceded) who added me after the game for this. First for me, pretty funny

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Want even more irony? He was only rank 23 lol.
 

Strossus

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SWCCG, played untill they had the foil set of it with a bunch of reprints in it as well, either way I just remember darkside decks using 3 vaders, his sabers, and usually in 1 or 2 isolated palces just dealing attrition(I honeslty forget the mechanics) alone, and if you did deicde to come fight him, he'd molly-wop your opponets side of the board, and continue killing them slowly.
as far as combo decks in MTG, as of last standard rotation the "combo deck" was some human combo with an angel and graveyard manipulation, prior to that Birthing Pod was a real deck( still is in Modern)
also modern had/has storm , and now due to lack of deathrite shaman, there be more graveyard oriented decks in the format, so no a combo deck is not unheard of.
 

Vaclav

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Resto Angel stuff isn't combo - Birthing Pod was legitimately a combo deck, as was Splinter Twin around the same timeframe - there's been nothing since that is "Combo" in the MTG sense of the word.

Combo is "goes off and wins instantly" or "huge toolbox" (technically the latter is more of a Combo/Control thing a la Birthing Pod) - nothing since Scars of Mirrodin left standard has been combo.
 

Gavinmad

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Not to encourage this derail, but standard isn't the only format in Magic. Combo is prolific in every format that isn't standard.
 

Vaclav

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Not to encourage this derail, but standard isn't the only format in Magic. Combo is prolific in every format that isn't standard.
True - but Standard is 90% of MTG. I still love busting out my Stasis-Winter Orb deck from back in the day (I'd "invented it" before I heard about it - probably wasn't the first overall, but definitely was the first in my area) which was the first true "combo deck" but honestly it's been a long time outside of EDH I've even played something I could run those two cards in even - eternal format stuff is just so damn rare.
 

Arbitrary

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He's talking about Angel of Serenity, not Restoration Angel. It was a White/Black affair with Unburial Rites, Grislebrand, and some humans. I think it had full combo potential with the right flop but I can't remember enough about the other cards to look them up.
 

Vaclav

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He's talking about Angel of Serenity, not Restoration Angel. It was a White/Black affair with Unburial Rites, Grislebrand, and some humans. I think it had full combo potential with the right flop but I can't remember enough about the other cards to look them up.
Is that why Angel of Serenity was so easy to sell for a bit? Never saw it around here, think I saw it in a MTGO daily once maybe, never did well from anything I saw, T2 at best.
 

Chris

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You obviously never played MTG at a high level and also SWCCG at a high level nor spoke to anyone that as, or they'd explain to you why SWCCG was a vastly more complex and difficult game with a higher skill base than MTG. SWCCG was infinitely more complex than MTG. The difference between SWCCG and MTG makes the difference between HS and MTG look like a joke. You're laughing because you are making an assumption, hearing the name Star Wars and assuming you know what you're talking about, probably picturing the wrong game to boot. It's always laughable when MTG fanatics that never played SWCCG at a high level talk about how MTG was more difficult or required more skill than SWCCG? you don't even realize how bad of a blind fanboy you look like? and I'm a huge MTG fan.

A game of SWCCG could have a couple dozen cards on the board AT ONCE, EVERY TURN, with multiple things happening in each phase of each player's turn. It was like a massive game of chess with Star Wars characters. A game of MTG is equivalent to a fraction of what was happening in every single game of SWCCG at each "location". There were points where each player would start with up to 10 cards on the board in the very beginning of the game, all with different text and rules and triggering different states at different times, all dependent on player skill and memory and also card counting. It's pointless arguing with you because you don't know what you're talking about and are just a fanboy making assumptions. I remember spending my weekends at card shops where both games were popular and watching the best MTG players take weeks to learn SWCCG and become even mildly shitty at it while SWCCG players would learn MTG in a day or two and many become decent in a week or two. Back when both were popular there wasn't a single MTG player that would argue it was more difficult and complicated than SWCCG. You're clueless.

Both games had 60 card decks, yet a game of SWCCG would take an average of 30 minutes to an hour or even longer, yet a single game of MTG was an average of 5-15minutes. Does MTG even require maths? Real maths? Card counting 100ish cards at once and calculating averages and ratios with % of X number being drawn and then manipulating those numbers? No.
The jimmies are strong with this one.

It may be more complicated, I can't comment on "skill" since I haven't played. Since these kinds of situations can happen in MTG depending on the deck, perhaps SWCCG just has less variety?

It's literally impossible that it is more competitive considering the number of tournaments, web coverage and high level players MTG has.
 

Arbitrary

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I couldn't figure that game out with just the instruction manual. Couldn't do it. My father had just taken away all of my Magic cards because he started watching religious cable programming and I was thinking I'd switch to Star Wars. I bought a couple starters and some boosters and never played a single game. It was also very disappointing that all of the main characters were super rares that commanded absolutely ridiculous prices given that the cards were still in print.

I've never in my entire life heard someone who spoke highly of the game or even knew how to play it until reading that post by Mr. Girl tonight.
 
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Seems like I'm meeting 80% aggro decks on ladder atm. Kinda silly playing against warlocks who basically kill themselves with life tap while I clear their board as best as possible. Druid/shaman seems to do very good but when you get bad draw it's very frustrating.
 

Vaclav

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Similar experience with SWCCG here as well Arb outside of why I gave it a shot. Seemed needlessly complicated and not terribly fun. Netrunner on the other hand was complicated but yet still remained fun.
 

Nite1

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just drafted this priest deck... first ever arena draft so just tried to use the draft tiers sheet someone linked.. thoughts, or advice?