Heroes of the Storm

Per hero I find the best way to find optimal talent builds is to go to hotslogs and see what everyone else is taking as such:

Heroes of the Storm (HotS): Talent Details: Thrall


So for Thrall it is fairly obvious there is really only one build with very little deviation (also set filter to Master league)

Vitality_sl said:

You guys remember that double healer comp with arthas.. god that wasn't very fair.

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We won that game though didn't we? I thought we eventually pulled it out I could be wrong, I know we had a few turn around games last night, a few stomps for us and we got stomped a few times but I think everyone had fun for the most part we weren't super serious with team comps and I think everyone played really well, there is things we can obviously tighten up and its been discussed by drea, and tenks already on when to group up and what to go for and making the transitions into mines and other objectives as smooth as possible.


And Ao- this game isn't like a traditional moba that's been out like league or dota, there really isn't a laning phase its kinda like hang around in the lane till objectives pop and start moving, also from what I have seen there is really no disparity in having a level advantage unless its to 10 or 20 first for ults to take a team fight and maybe snowball the talents are good but idk if missing a talent that's not an ult, in a team fight is that big unless its like blink or sprint, if you focus on it you can manage to climb back in level wise it seems.

I would run through the tutorial because its nothing like LoL or Dota in the traditional sense of laning and items and that kind of meta, just hop in and get a feel for the game with the tutorial and then try mode or co-op mode with each type of hero so you can get a feel of what you might like doing through the match, like tenks said play on the cautious side and think in terms of gaining everything possible without giving them anything like free kills, all those things will come to you with time like knowing when you can or cant save someone from being jumped so you yourself should just retreat or not.


Also if that starter bundle is still like 5$ bucks buy it, it gives you 3 decent heroes to run with I think it was raynor, Maura, and malf? so you got a healer, ranged assassin and a tank.

I don't know about sites like herosgg or hotslogs. You have to actively have to sign up to upload your replays. It's not pulling data from games like a lot of LOL sites do. You're not getting everyone, you're just getting the people who signed up to the site.

I took a peak at Abathur on try mode. That mother fucker can do some work if played correctly. I would have to drop another 10 spot to buy the champ to try in an actual game.

I love how literally no one on nova takes mana regen level 1. I started taking ambush snipe except for a few games where I felt like there would be extended fights all the time. (Sky temple etc)

Maybe it's just me but I noticed if I stacked up mana regen enough early I would never need to back for mana. I felt like that was pretty good *shrug*

Yeah I'm not the club pro here at Heroes either so if someone wants to take the lead and shotcall when we are in mumble thats cool. I just felt like 5 people doing whatever hairbrain idea popped into my head was better than just winging it. I'm not the best at knowing when we need to merc, when to split up and when to death ball. Each has it's phase and I tend to err on the side of deathball and roam at around level 15 or so.

yeah bud I think we've got an open-call style setup with our boyz right now. After you logged we went like 7-1 or 6-2 something like that by everyone kind of chipping in for play calls.

We lost the most games to them having Arthas and us not having Arthas.

Draegan_sl said:

I don't know about sites like herosgg or hotslogs. You have to actively have to sign up to upload your replays. It's not pulling data from games like a lot of LOL sites do. You're not getting everyone, you're just getting the people who signed up to the site.

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When you're at a high enough MMR SOMEONE will be uploading the replays to hotslogs. You only need 1 person to upload so even if you don't actively upload or try to just upload replays chances are someone has already done it unless you're in the bush leagues. I usually batch update at the end of my play sessions and 9/10 I'm uploading a duplicate replay. Probably more than 9/10.

I love how literally no one on nova takes mana regen level 1. I started taking ambush snipe except for a few games where I felt like there would be extended fights all the time. (Sky temple etc)

Maybe it's just me but I noticed if I stacked up mana regen enough early I would never need to back for mana. I felt like that was pretty good *shrug*

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The issue here is you need Nova in lane getting globes. Early on her role is to roam between lanes and punish people over extending. So to take Conjurer's Persuit you need be around when a mage minion dies instead of hiding in a bush looking for a gank.

Draegan_sl said:

I took a peak at Abathur on try mode. That mother fucker can do some work if played correctly. I would have to drop another 10 spot to buy the champ to try in an actual game.

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I also advise if you can spare 10 bucks the stim pack is nice for 30 days. you get 75 gold a win, 50 on a loss and the exp is great for levels if you ever want to try ranked because you need to be lvl 30 and gaining levels in this game sucks to compare ive played maybe 30-40 games and im almost 25 I think vitality has the same number of games as me, and he is lvl 14 also its nice for leveling heroes if you fast lvl 5 on everyone for gold or leveling them to 10 I think xith said last night it was like 80 games total with 1 hero I think for lvl 10? from 9 to 10 it was a sick amount of exp I forgot what he said it was though.

Yeah tenks, I see the point, I should be roaming more. I usually roam for a kill then snipe the mage and bounce to another lane. It's tough though with our guys right now because often times I have to cover a lane that has no one in it so we don't lose xp.

Idk I'm sure that will change.

Also: Clone can be cast on a regen orb to pick it up which is sick.

That still reveals your position, though. Or at least your lane.

Maybe you could plop down your clone, ping the mage for kill and go elsewhere or stay. Be a spooky ghost.

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I guess reflecting on it a bit more. The thing with Nova is she doesn't really need mana sustain. She should blow her wad and hopefully get a kill then Stealth away and either tap a well or B and find a new target. Going conjurer at 1 means you are going dichotomous to that playstyle. You are looking to do your rotation then find another person to the rotation and another without going back to base. But with her playstyle and with the fact B is 100% free in Heroes there is really no downside to blowing your mana load then hearthing back to base. She shouldn't really be engaged in prolonged fights.

Also I don't know how the math works out but I assume Ambush and Gathering Power have some stacking interaction. So if it does 100 damage, 120 with Amubush then 144 with GP. So Ambush effectively added 24 damage. Of course that means more scaling at higher levels. But they may just add up the damage modifications to do 140 damage with Ambush and full GP stacks.

You're probably right. It's just the worst to get yelled at for bouncing out of a fight early after killing just one dude.

We'll see, I definitely spend a lot less time fighting and harassing and all that with 20% dmg from stealth because I'm always oom.

With the way teams are comped in this game if a Nova erases a Valla from the fight and drops a PS down she has more than made up for herself. That Valla is basically the backbone of most compositions and they simply don't have the firepower to back up their initiate anymore. Not to mention Nova's mana pool isn't THAT bad. She can do like 4 rotations from full mana. Just like if you go W build Valla w/ battle momentum. Your goal is to unload a fuckton of W into a fight and hopefully win it then disengage and B.

TecKnoe_sl said:

I also advise if you can spare 10 bucks the stim pack is nice for 30 days. you get 75 gold a win, 50 on a loss and the exp is great for levels if you ever want to try ranked because you need to be lvl 30 and gaining levels in this game sucks to compare ive played maybe 30-40 games and im almost 25 I think vitality has the same number of games as me, and he is lvl 14 also its nice for leveling heroes if you fast lvl 5 on everyone for gold or leveling them to 10 I think xith said last night it was like 80 games total with 1 hero I think for lvl 10? from 9 to 10 it was a sick amount of exp I forgot what he said it was though.

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From 9 to 10, it's around 4.5 million xp. I think the average is around 120k xp per game? I've played 83 games on Uther and he is level 9 with 1.7 mil xp still needed to get to 10. I did most of that w/o being in a party and w/o stimpacks, so you can increase that rate significantly.

I kind of want to fuck around with Abathur tonight.

Draegan_sl said:

I kind of want to fuck around with Abathur tonight.

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not enough trolling with the barrel rolls?

Shit is mad trolly. My issue with Chen is sustain. I'd like to try his regen trait.

I'd like to jump in if there's room. Kirotan #1263 if you need people to play.

Im having enough challenge with cooperative. I dunno if I could handle fighting actual human beings. I regret having not touched the genre at all until now in some ways as I have zero appreciation for some of the nuances.

Draegan_sl said:

I kind of want to fuck around with Abathur tonight.

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Abathur is probably the most advanced hero in the game TBH. You require supreme map awareness, the knowledge of when and where to Z to soak XP, where to effectively place your mines and then to top it off you also need to be a pretty good skill shotter to get your Stab damage in. He plays wildly different from anyone else and honestly raw RTS skills translate better to Abathur than MOBA skills.