Heroes of the Storm

Twilering

Trakanon Raider
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I agree that gold gain is really slow/heroes are very expensive. A tip I read on Reddit looked very helpful. It said that you can never get the same daily quest twice so if you keep 2/3 daily quests as 200 gold quests, you have a higher chance of getting higher value daily quests.
 

ronne

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So what's the answer to Abathur? Because aside from just 5 manning a lane from the start I don't see a way around him fucking up all the early solo/duo lanes completely. There's just no winning any kind of 1v1/2v2 action against an Abathur team, and in solo games that's all you're gonna be getting for the first ~15 minutes.
 

Tenks

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So what's the answer to Abathur? Because aside from just 5 manning a lane from the start I don't see a way around him fucking up all the early solo/duo lanes completely. There's just no winning any kind of 1v1/2v2 action against an Abathur team, and in solo games that's all you're gonna be getting for the first ~15 minutes.
There are quite a few ways to deal with him. I'll deal with your specific gripes.

First off unless you can outright burst the character 1v1 is out the door pre-10 with an Abathur on the field. His skill shot does too much and his shield protects too much. You simply will not win the fight. So don't pick them. This is a similar situation with if the opponents have a Brightwing on the field.

You need to know Abathur's symbiote isn't on an instant cooldown. It has a 4 second CD which is pretty hefty in a fast paced game like this. So while you are in lane always, always attack the minion that has the Abathur symbiote ontop of it. Furthermore the ONLY way Abathur can gain XP is if the kill occurs when he is symbioted on a near-by minion or hero. So a locust killing things or a toxic nest killing somethingdoes not give XP. Honestly not even most Abathur players know this. So a good way to deny XP to the team is to simply refuse to let Abathur's symbiote live to leech XP.

You can have Nova try and pick him off or make him constantly move around. Remember forts & keeps do not grant true sight in this game. Only the core does. So if Abathur is in a spot where Nova can simply burst him down he's a free kill and she just walks away after taking a few tower shots.

Post-10 the only real benefit Abathur gives to the team is split pushing and his Ultimate. He still has good map presence assuming he keeps up with planting nests throughout the map but his Symbiote's damage starts to tail off in significance and if a 5v5 teamfight breaks out he simply has to use Clone. So you can somewhat exploit this by forcing clone, backing up then engaging again after clone goes away. Also remember Abathur's clone gains none of the talents of the person he is cloning so really it is mostly just a walking Ultimate.

Post-16 when Abathur gets Locust Nest this is generally when he becomes more active on the map. Try and figure out where you think he'll go (or if he's a bad Abathur figure out where he already is) and just go kill him. 9/10 the Abathur will Z to a pushed lane, spawn a nest and B home. So try and watch for that and if he gets predictable just kill him. This is also true for objective based maps and far sooner in the game. A good Abathur will hide in the bushes inside XP range of minions that naturally kill one another then also Symbiote onto a different lane to get XP from two lanes as once while you're focused elsewhere on the map. In general just look for where his locusts are coming from and that will be a tell for where he's at to punish this greedy XP soak.
 

Xith

Bronze Knight of the Realm
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I've been playing this for a few days now. I feel like stealth is pretty broken if anyone with a clue is playing it. Especially on maps like dragon tower where they can just stand there invisible and capture the tower with most of the heroes having no way to see them. Having 2 stealth chars on the same team is retarded. I don't think I've won a game when that happens. They just stand there and pick off low people.

Hero cost seems too high to me.. or the per game reward is too low. If you play for an hour, you might play 3 games. If you win all 3, you get 90 gold. Assuming that you finish a daily quest, that's 390 gold. At that rate, it would take you over 25 days to unlock one of the 10k heroes (if you win every game). Seems too long to me.
 

an accordion_sl

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I've been playing this for a few days now. I feel like stealth is pretty broken if anyone with a clue is playing it. Especially on maps like dragon tower where they can just stand there invisible and capture the tower with most of the heroes having no way to see them. Having 2 stealth chars on the same team is retarded. I don't think I've won a game when that happens. They just stand there and pick off low people.

Hero cost seems too high to me.. or the per game reward is too low. If you play for an hour, you might play 3 games. If you win all 3, you get 90 gold. Assuming that you finish a daily quest, that's 390 gold. At that rate, it would take you over 25 days to unlock one of the 10k heroes (if you win every game). Seems too long to me.
I'll agree that stealth is very frustrating, but definitely not broken. You can see the shimmer and often times pick them off if they're playing greedy.
 

Xith

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I'll agree that stealth is very frustrating, but definitely not broken. You can see the shimmer and often times pick them off if they're playing greedy.
There's no shimmer if they are standing still. Even when there is a shimmer, I personally find it hard to see.
 

ronne

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The shimmer is super, super obvious on minimum graphics settings. Stands out like a sore thumb vs the blobby pixelated everything else because the graphic on it doesn't change. About the only good thing about playing on my shitty work laptop.
 

TheYanger

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There's no shimmer if they are standing still. Even when there is a shimmer, I personally find it hard to see.
There is still a very obvious predator outline when they're standing still. Usually with stealth characters the problem isn't knowing where they are, it's having something you can do about it. Very easy with some characters and frustrating with others.
 

Tenks

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This is probably the least punishing version of stealth. At least compared to DOTA2. You don't require someone to ward or any of that other bullshit. You see the shimmer and you use an AOE skill to knock the character out of stealth. Even though Nova probably will get nerfed (hot shots will get nerfed for sure ... wonder if they'll remove Rewind from her kit as well) most top teams have already figured out how to deal with her. Basically level1 Block absolutely ruins her ganking potential once she gets 7 for Hot Shots. Ability Shield ruins any further ganking potential once she gets OD + Rewind.
 

Tenks

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After playing with some board members the past few days I think there are really only two ways to play this game. 1) Complete solo 2) 5 man. The fact that in the alpha it basically takes your combined MMR from your party then drops 2 braindead retards on your team to "balance" makes it impossible to win. I'd take 5 average players over 3 great 2 retarded any day of the week in this game.
 

Mures

Blackwing Lair Raider
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After playing with some board members the past few days I think there are really only two ways to play this game. 1) Complete solo 2) 5 man. The fact that in the alpha it basically takes your combined MMR from your party then drops 2 braindead retards on your team to "balance" makes it impossible to win. I'd take 5 average players over 3 great 2 retarded any day of the week in this game.
Guess we'll just have to get some 5 mans going cuz yeah, that was a rough few games we had. I played some games with oblio i think it was and we went like 6-1, but your mmr must put us into the pair w/ pants on head retard bracket.
 

Tenks

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That may be the problem. I've seen ZPs have the same issues when he queues with a not-full party. He'll get some guy on his team which is the first time he's ever seen a keyboard.
 

Amzin

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I played my first vesus game solo but the rest I've played were all with Oblio and Ronne I think, and those matches seemed pretty solid. Maybe because I'm so new it doesn't know where to put me yet?
 

Tenks

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I also played a solo queue match against Dreadnought and Sold1er yesterday. We ended up losing but our team put up a decent fight. Though they seemed to suffer the "get a retard" syndom because their Chen was suicidal. Dread went for a non-standard Arthas build so I'm guessing he was just trying shit out (Frostmourne focused w/ Syndragosa). Sold1er wasn't the best Valla I've encountered, either.
 

Tenks

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I have yet to win a game with Muradin. He is a good hero in theory but my god his damage is just beyond pathetic. I still think he'd be decent in a comp that can utilize his skills (mainly executioner focused) but don't see a reason to use him over any of the other tanks in the game. Only highlight was taking Block and Ability Shield and having a Nova OD/Rewind her combo on me for like 50% my HP.