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Cad
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How does the house "being built like a tank" - even if we assume thats true - benefit the homeowner?
Looks like the usual google maps distortion, if you move down the street a tick it looks straight.
Cad
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Palum
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Probably labor. Steel is a pain to work with comparitively.
Also most of the major prop management new construction companies I've seen seem to build and dump 3-7 years later to make maintenance someone else's problem.
AladainAF
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Yea, I'm sure it's a money pit, despite the fact that the appraisal district rates it a class 5 structure (Most new homes around here appraise at 5+ or 6, 5 isn't all that bad). Probably just trying to milk every penny in taxes out of it.
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Maybe it doesnt, in the long run, a newly built house will probably last just as long as an old one if taken care of. But the finishes inside is one thing that cannot be matched in newer construction, because its just too expensive. Im talking about all the mill work, the finish carpentry, quarter sawn oak panels and shit, all the built ins and shit like that that most older houses come with all solid wood, not press board crap they use today. The plaster work with coved ceiling corners, rounded doorways...
Not to mention the interior walls will be more soundproof because of plaster and ship lap, the floors are made out of solid wood planking instead of plywood. The dimensional lumber used in those days was bigger too, like a 2x4 was actually a 2x4 not a 1.5x3.5. And maybe it was still old growth type shit thats not available in todays lumber yards. But yeah, I get you, is all that shit translate to a better experience for the homeowner? Well it depends if you are into the historical type architecture or the newer cleaner lines and open spaces of todays construction. Old shit has "character" that the newer shit just does not have.
Cad
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I mean, anything can be done. If it's too expensive to do millwork in your house, you're not going to be able to afford some 1880's money pit.
You mean arches? You think houses these days don't come with arches?
You can still get plaster walls if you want to? Nothing unique about that. And you can build your floors however you like as well, nothing stopping you.
You could totally build a closed floorplan with hallways and galley kitchen and all that old shit today if you wanted to. You wouldn't though, because nobody would buy it from you later.
All this shit you're saying is available today you just have to ask and pay for it.
It also beats pressed board because it isn't bound with chemicals that start disintegrating when wet. Also, you can sand it.
A lot of the stuff only looks the same at a glance. Next time you're at a new construction home with a deck, go over to a railing and post. Jostle it a bit. Ask yourself what is plastic doing all over and why does it all creak and wobble.
PVC and composites have good uses, but you can figure out when they've been used to cut corners.
Cad's arguments are probably the poorest he's ever put together. =/ He probably sleeps with a vaselined glove. That cost $1,8M dollars.
House is framed, roof is shingled up, and electric/plumbing is in this week.
We do the walk through next Friday to verify everything is good before they slap the drywall on.
We do the walk through next Friday to verify everything is good before they slap the drywall on.
I think the important thing is that you can buy a 100 year old house and get some of these features whereas you would spend 2 million getting new construction similar.
My dad goes on and on about how all the wood is bullshit now, all the faucets are plastic etc etc. There is a grain of truth to it.
2 good examples are exterior door frames and cabinetry. You can get exterior doors and the screws will suck through the side and they'll start rotting in two years, meanwhile one that's 80 years old will be solid and beautiful. You can go get mdf side cabinets and if they don't fall apart by the time they're installed they will once you spill water in them, meanwhile you smash some from 1920 for an hour to get them out.
It's something I've come to appreciate and understand the more I deal with the intricacies of building and remodeling, and lost on people who hire everything done. I also think there's a tinge of simply liking old shit which is a personal thing.
My dad goes on and on about how all the wood is bullshit now, all the faucets are plastic etc etc. There is a grain of truth to it.
2 good examples are exterior door frames and cabinetry. You can get exterior doors and the screws will suck through the side and they'll start rotting in two years, meanwhile one that's 80 years old will be solid and beautiful. You can go get mdf side cabinets and if they don't fall apart by the time they're installed they will once you spill water in them, meanwhile you smash some from 1920 for an hour to get them out.
It's something I've come to appreciate and understand the more I deal with the intricacies of building and remodeling, and lost on people who hire everything done. I also think there's a tinge of simply liking old shit which is a personal thing.
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I would say there's likely a craftsmanship atrophy when it comes to woodworking , millwork, tilework etc as well, simply due to everything being so standardized and mass produced.
I would say there's likely a craftsmanship atrophy when it comes to woodworking , millwork, tilework etc as well, simply due to everything being so standardized and mass produced.
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picasso knows the truth. There is nothing like old world labor and mats. All this shit today is junk compared to old crap. I have furniture made by my grandfather in his shop that will last 5 lifetimes. Good luck with your pressboard shit. There is a reason that all this "reclaimed luber and mats" is worth a fuckton in todays market.
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Durrr, wood is wood....No, bro. Its hard to get some of these woods. Like mahogany, ebony, even shit like quarter sawn oak. Shits expensive either way, mahogany is like endangered species. This is why they are reclaiming the shit. They are not doing it to be hipsters bro. $10-12 per board foot, not even milled. That's 1'x1'x1"
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Oak Lumber for Sale, White Oak in Rift, Quarter Sawn | Woodvendors.com