I do not believe in equality

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Arbitrary

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Cad_sl said:
Were you just trying to show how persistence and effort and the decision to persevere in the face of adversity paid off for the hard working few while claiming it was luck, or was it an accident?
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Jesus fuck you get defensive goddamn immediately.

No,I'm on your side.In times before I would have been one of the ones that would have maybe pointed to luck because of how large of a roll it can play but in my readings I came across what I thought was a very good explanation of the role of chance and what we can do about it. Not giving up is a fucking goddamn important attribute to have. As I said, the one thing we have control over is the number of attempts we take, our number of "at bats" as we try to hit a home run. For people that bemoan the role of luck that's something we can all strive to work on - not giving up even when we get told we aren't any good over and over and over and over again. Grisham could have given up after 19 rejection letters but he didn't. That's some fucking fortitude.
 
chaos

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Cad_sl said:
Whats the point of the observation?
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Nothing, there's no point, we're all going to die and the universe doesn't give a shit. Being observant of the reality of your life doesn't have to have a point. Maybe it can help you. I don't know. Maybe teach people not to take good fortune for granted. Maybe awareness can breed future success in capitalizing on opportunities. Maybe were all wasting our time playing last word on aessayed board when we could be out contributing to society or something.

I don't have any answers, just a bunch of boring questions bro.
 
fanaskin

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This conversation is inherently broken because there are many definitions and concepts of luck and they can't all be right at the same time, some of them are contradictory.
 
Cad

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chaos_sl said:
Nothing, there's no point, we're all going to die and the universe doesn't give a shit. Being observant of the reality of your life doesn't have to have a point. Maybe it can help you. I don't know. Maybe teach people not to take good fortune for granted. Maybe awareness can breed future success in capitalizing on opportunities. Maybe were all wasting our time playing last word on aessayed board when we could be out contributing to society or something.

I don't have any answers, just a bunch of boring questions bro.
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Lithose

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chaos_sl said:
Seriously, fuck hodj for poisoning everyone with this extremism crap.
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lol, wasn't Hodj. When presidential candidates have to deal with this form of extremism, it's going to be inescapable. It will cycle out, though, eventually. I'm sure in 10 years it will be like the 80's again, but this time withultrashit lords looking to exploit poor people and snort coke. Going to be glorious.
 
hodj

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chaos_sl said:
It isn't, anything you do is not solely due to your effort, there are many factors at work. How is that not simply an observation of how shit is? You're taking it to the extreme and saying you don't deserve it if you can't isolate the genesis of it to your specific effort alone, and that's just insane to me. How can you even get through the day like that?

Seriously, fuck hodj for poisoning everyone with this extremism crap.
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What the fuck are you even talking about?
 
fanaskin

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Tanoomba_sl said:
Not at all. I'm saying that benefiting from something you had no control over is, by definition, luck.
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Or not depending on your viewpoint and definition, there's many of them. It's also causal and without any luck at all.
 
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Cad is a mini Trump. Trump gets very sensitive when you talk about how much he may or may not have. Cad is very sensitive when you discuss his place in the world. He surrounds himself with his life story (real or fictional) and is fragile without it.

It's why the argument is either 0 or 10, but never 1-9. He's just like my wife, it's always one end of the extreme or another in any debate. When Cad said:

Because it's an obvious predicate. Saying "you are a success due to factors beyond your control" goes straight to "you didn't earn your success" and then "you don't deserve your success." Otherwise there's no point to even making that assertion.
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He went from someone remarking that birth and upbringing have a large impact on your chances of being a success to not being deserving of your own success. I don't think anyone said you don't deserve anything. That arugment wasn't made except on some tumblr page and maybe some thread Lithose has 10000 posts in (luvu Lithose).

I'm going to sum this up for everyone:

1) Not all people are equal, taller, stronger, faster, slower, fatter, thinner, smarter, dumber.
2) Not all people have equal opportunity. Born poor/rich. Born to a successful family/not. Born in a good neighborhood or an inner city. Access to good schools or not. Born white or black.
3) Luck has a massive part of anyone's success. Where/when and to whom you were born to is the first major roll of the dice before God rerolls your character.
4) Being in the right place or the right time sometimes yields massive returns.

If you were born poor/bad family that just means you have to work harder to become successful vs. a person born to two successful parents that send their kid to school and are never financially stressed.

Anyway, my queue popped. Peace.
 
Titan_Atlas

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Brahma_sl said:
What the fuck does THIS shit mean? Admit it man...you confused the negro avatars. Similar posting styles my ass.
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I confused the negro avatars yes. Though I am used to seeing you in the weightlifting thread and him in the marriage thread so I do mix you guys up. It's in the names both are very masculine.
 
fanaskin

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Draegan_sl said:
He went from someone remarking that birth and upbringing have a large impact on your chances of being a success to not being deserving of your own success. I don't think anyone said you don't deserve anything.
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99% of everyone's thoughts are not original, doesn't exactly matter how far you develop yours or not.
 
Khane

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Lithose_sl said:
He was pointing out that "check your privilege" is simply a more aggressive way of saying what you said. And he was pointing it out because what is the use in stating that people should 'acknowledge the disadvantages of others' in a thread talking about inequality? Does that specify what the issue is? Who is affected? Is it really a "group" or is that simply a correlation due to other factors? As you said,its a polite simplification of a very complex issue. It's not accurate, or useful in a debate, it's used aspolitenessso people who succeed don't rub it in the faces of those who don't. So why do it in a threaddebating the causes of inequality(IE the specific causes)?

It IS a form of politeness, and people use to deflect very uncomfortable analysis of WHY those disadvantages exist. It's easier to just say "these people are luckier" than it is to say "these people are luckier because their fathers didn't abandon them". But is it useful? This is a thread about discussing that topic, and rather than pursuing the why, it seems like the ultimate goal is instead to get people to all signal how righteous they are by admitting "I'm lucky".

If I wanted to feel better about myself, I'd break down and go to church and talk about what an evil sinner I was so I could have a ton of people blow smoke up my ass about how brave and wonderful I was for admitting it. But I don't find that ritual particularly useful. I mean, I do sin, like legitimately I do some bad things--but simply stating that in the super general sense doesn't help, or make things better; I need to analyze thewhy, the context of it and fix it.

And here is where Cad said exactly that.




He's using that catchphrase to ask you what the relevance of that acknowledgement is in a debate about the why of something. You tried to explain that 'understanding' is important--but what is being understood here? The size and scope of the statement make it so obtuse that it's not relevant (Again, we don't know the why, how, or anything--simply that some nebulous groups got the shaft), which makes it as silly as 'check your privilege'--unless we know exactly the method of action, that statement is functionally meaningless. Its AS meaningless as saying "just acknowledge people have it worse and some groups are fucked" (Paraphrasing). This is in the national spotlight now, and since this kind of 'polite sentiment' is reaching that kind of level, yeah, you're going to find that polite statements in a thread meant to debate this subject, aren't going to be show stoppers.
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Doesn't surprise me you're just as much of a moron as that idiot who's so insecure he feels the need to lie to people he'll never meet about his lot in life to try to prove a point.

Don't know why I tried to engage you in normal conversation. You're the king of 400 words when 4 will do.
 
Khane

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Titan_atlas_sl said:
Khane had I believe Michael Clarke Duncan in a old style suit. Maybe he changed it?
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No the avatar is literally a trans black woman. I forget exactly why Tuco gave me the avatar but I think it had to do with a comment on style? The fact that it was a trans black woman came about after the fact, I think it was Convo who figured it out during a debate in the Pantheon thread.

Yea, that's actually a woman.
 
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