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Siddar

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Only abortion clinic in North Alabama closing Friday - WAFF-TV: News, Weather and Sports for Huntsville, AL


It's absolutely a backwards ass way to circumvent a Woman's right to an abortion.

Looking at it in any other way is idiocy. Right wing idiots in right wing states impeding rights on the populace put in place by a federal court. My glorious state also still has prevented lesbians and gays from getting marriage licenses and disavows all research about global warming. Truely an enlightened and educated state, who does not cater to the dogma of religion.
That clinic was not shut down because it couldn't get admitting privileges at a hospital it was closed because it existing facility didn't meet new safety codes. They are also in process of building a new facility that meets the new code.

I actually doubt a hospital could legally refuse to grant a abortion clinic emergency admitting rights unless there were other hospitals in the area that would offer them.
 

Siddar

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Well the requirements are usually all bundled together into a single law. In Texas clinics closed due to the admitting privileges requirement but prior to the other requirements taking effect (which the SC eventually blocked).

Supreme Court blocks parts of Texas abortion law
Again i want a example of a abortion clinic shut because it could not get emergency admitting to a local hospital in order to comply with the new safety regulations.

I'ts a important point in my view if regulation create a impossible to comply with situation for a clinic or if they just cost the clinics money they don't to spend in order to comply with the regulations.

Lots of businesses shut down because of new government regulation costing to much money to comply with. Abortion clinics are not special in this regard.
 

Royal

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TI actually doubt a hospital could legally refuse to grant a abortion clinic emergency admitting rights unless there were other hospitals in the area that would offer them.
Granting emergency admissions is not the same as admitting privileges:

Admitting Privileges- The right, by virtue of membership on a hospital's medical staff, to admit private patients in a particular medical centre or hospital, and to render specific diagnostic or therapeutic services in that hospital."]
 

radditsu

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That clinic was not shut down because it couldn't get admitting privileges at a hospital it was closed because it existing facility didn't meet new safety codes. They are also in process of building a new facility that meets the new code.

I actually doubt a hospital could legally refuse to grant a abortion clinic emergency admitting rights unless there were other hospitals in the area that would offer them.
The "safety" codes wrapped in the law that brought in the admitting privliges. The architecture changes were also a stall. The entire set of laws were put into place to put these people out of busines. Its similar to writing laws to put title loans shops out of business. Stop being dense.
 

Abefroman

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Granting emergency admissions is not the same as admitting privileges:

Admitting Privileges- The right, by virtue of membership on a hospital's medical staff, to admit private patients in a particular medical centre or hospital, and to render specific diagnostic or therapeutic services in that hospital."]
Exactly. It isn't a safety regulation because the only time a patient at an abortion clinic is going to have to go to a hospital is in an emergency. In that case the hospital can not refuse care. They are trying to require every abortion clinic to have doctors on staff at a close hospital. This is nonsense.
 

Siddar

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Granting emergency admissions is not the same as admitting privileges:

Admitting Privileges- The right, by virtue of membership on a hospital's medical staff, to admit private patients in a particular medical centre or hospital, and to render specific diagnostic or therapeutic services in that hospital."]
So was it case of being turned down because they don't like abortion are a case of clinic staff not meeting requirements to be given admitting privileges. That if we have a actual case where the clinics tried to getting admitting privledge and were turned down.
 

Royal

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Again i want a example of a abortion clinic shut because it could not get emergency admitting to a local hospital in order to comply with the new safety regulations.
/sigh

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_4907050.html

Even if Miller could afford to build or lease ambulatory surgical centers for her rural clinics, her doctors would be unable to get admitting privileges at hospitals in Beaumont and McAllen, she said.

"The hospitals in Beaumont told us verbally that there's no way they'll send us an application because of what we do," Miller said. "And the physicians at the hospital in McAllen were too scared to cosign our application because they were worried about being targeted by the community."
 

Royal

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This isn't an abortion debate thread, I was just answering your question about hospitals refusing service.
 

Siddar

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This isn't an abortion debate thread, I was just answering your question about hospitals refusing service.
Thread is inherently about governmental power of regulation. Safety regulation on abortion clinic arn't about abortion ether there about safety and governmental power to impose them.

I admire the abortion clinics taking a absolutist libertarian stance but they're most likely to lose. The governments power to impose safety regulations is very well entrenched.
 

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I think the difference is race is not something a person can choose to just not talk about and as a result no one will know there not a certain race.

We could take all the anonymous posts here and link them to individual real life people. The results would be very negative for some people.

Why does society need to protect a persons right to be publicly homosexual while being ok with people being fired for the stupid shit they say on the internet?

Eventually you just have to draw a line in order to protect people individual freedom from the current in vogue group think that wants try and make everyone accept everyone else.
There's a difference between not going out of your way to mention that gay is involved somewhere in the transaction, which might be reasonable, and having to curtail your options to hide the fact. Forinstance going to buy a birthday cake for your straight friend Carol and telling the baker "Btw, I'm gay!" is entirely unnecessay and expecting you to just stfu about it isnt wildly unreasonable; its irrelevant to buying a cake for Carol. But if you instead want to buy a wedding cake for your gay friends then its a bit tricky to avoid telling the baker "I need a pair of those little groom figures for the top and could you write "Congratulations Garry and Steve" on the icing please?" and still get the cake you want, and its not reasonable to have to curtail your options or risk not getting a cake at all.
 

1987

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Lots of businesses shut down because of new government regulation costing to much money to comply with. Abortion clinics are not special in this regard.
And in ZERO of those other instances were the regulations passed with the specific intention of shuttering businesses due to non-meetable guidelines.
 

Kuriin

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Lots of businesses shut down because of new government regulation costing to much money to comply with. Abortion clinics are not special in this regard.
Do you know the history of abortion clinics? Where women could actually go into a clinic without fear? Then bombs came. Then government started forcing the clinic to get special privileges. Then you have the government forcing the woman to listen the fetal heart rate as well as visualize it on an ultrasound. You also have some states trying to make abortion illegal (I'm sure there are some already), regardless if she had been raped by a stranger or a family member. Then you have stupid government officials actually saying that women have the innate ability of stopping a pregnancy by the very thought.

Ugh pro-lifers make me so upset. -.-
 

iannis

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That's actually not true. That that tactic is used to run gambling, repossessions, and liqour out of business as well. You'll see it being used against legal headshops, as that starts to happen.

Anything that can't be outright outlawed, or which has been contentiously permitted, or which is very difficult to oversee and creates a rukus. Abortion clinics are remarkable in that it is a health service aimed at, largely, "the middle class". It's remarkable because that's usually not how things work, but they're not a unique case is what I'm getting at.

Just it's being done to doctors. And it is a health service. You probably never hear about it when they run a seedy bar out of town using the exact same methods. Unless you went to that bar, I guess.
 

Siddar

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And in ZERO of those other instances were the regulations passed with the specific intention of shuttering businesses due to non-meetable guidelines.
Dude stop quoting me if you're just going to ignore what I said right above the part you quoted.

And yes government does impose regulations many time with secondary stated and unstated intent to shut down businesses. Casino's, gun stores, bars, liquor tobacco stores, all commercial stores in certain zoning areas. The list is endless in some cases they go for out right ban in others they restrict area where a business can locate in other they simply make it impossible for a bossiness to stay open because of costs of regulation.
 

Siddar

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Do you know the history of abortion clinics? Where women could actually go into a clinic without fear? Then bombs came. Then government started forcing the clinic to get special privileges. Then you have the government forcing the woman to listen the fetal heart rate as well as visualize it on an ultrasound. You also have some states trying to make abortion illegal (I'm sure there are some already), regardless if she had been raped by a stranger or a family member. Then you have stupid government officials actually saying that women have the innate ability of stopping a pregnancy by the very thought.

Ugh pro-lifers make me so upset. -.-
How is any of the above relevant to government imposing safety regulation upon abortion clinics?