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hodj

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You mean this case?

Supreme Court Declines To Hear New Mexico Gay Wedding Photography Case

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - The U.S. Supreme Court rejected an appeal Monday from a studio that refused to photograph a lesbian couple's commitment ceremony, letting stand a New Mexico high court ruling that helped spur a national debate over gay rights and religious freedom.

The justices left in place a unanimous state Supreme Court ruling last year that said Elane Photography violated New Mexico's Human Rights Act by refusing to photograph the same-sex ceremony "in the same way as if it had refused to photograph a wedding between people of different races."

Elane Photography co-owner Elaine Huguenin said taking the photos for Vanessa Willock and her partner would violate her religious beliefs. She said she also has a right of artistic expression under the First Amendment that allows her to choose what pictures to take, or refrain from taking. She was ordered to pay more than $7,000 in attorneys' fees, which Willock waived.
Maybe you want to reread what actually happened there? The wedding photographer lost the case. The Supremes refused to hear her appeal.
 

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14th amendment.
You realize that has to do with the state not being allowed to limit people's freedoms. There's not one letter in there about people compelling other people to do things. You telling people what to do is not your freedom, infact, its actually slavery in its purest form.
 

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You realize that has to do with the state not being allowed to limit people's freedoms. There's not one letter in there about people compelling other people to do things. You telling people what to do is not your freedom, infact, its actually slavery in its purest form.
Remind me. Who's making who do what?
 

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You realize that has to do with the state not being allowed to limit people's freedoms.
This is what we call engaging in confirmation bias. You're going to read into it what you want, but the Civil Rights Act, and subsequent legislation and court rulings, as well as the 14th amendment, demonstrate that we have a right to not be discriminated against in business dealings and in relation to our governing bodies.

Making laws allowing people to discriminate in business dealing is, in fact, limiting people's freedoms.

Its pretty clear at this point you and Siddar will stretch, and reach, and dissemble to any degree possible to try and find some way to justify your clearly refuted and foundationless positions on this subject.
 

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Maybe you want to reread what actually happened there? The wedding photographer lost the case. The Supremes refused to hear her appeal.
Procedural. The supreme court very rarely hears cases, even ones with merit, until there is a split in federal courts.
 

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14th amendment.
The protection in regards to forcing a business providing services is based upon civil rights laws and being a designated protected class not upon the Constitution.

If A business want to put up a no democrats are republicans served sign they would fine doing so constitutionally.
 

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Procedural. The supreme court very rarely hears cases, even ones with merit, until there is a split in federal courts.
That's nice. The implication was that the wedding photographer won the case and the Supreme's refused to hear the appeal by the gay couple. That is 180 degrees out of phase with what happened.

When called on that it is then claimed that it was just "procedural"

That's nice.

The wedding photographerlost that casewhich is why the Supremes didn't need to take it up.

Had she won it, we don't know if theyd have taken the case up or not, but its irrelevant.

The protection in regards to forcing a business providing services is based upon civil rights laws and being a designated protected class not upon the Constitution.

If A business want to put up a no democrats are republicans served sign they would fine doing so constitutionally.
All I'm seeing is straw grasping non sequitors here.

We about done here fellas?
 

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The government compels people to abide by a wide array of fair business practices. If a person is incapable of abiding by these practices, they don't get to do business in my country.

How many dozens of pages are we going to watch you morons struggle with this concept?
 

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Yes the case was based upon state law not federal law so if the people of new mexico want to alter those laws then it is within there discretion to do so.
Incorrect if they want to alter those laws to allow businesses to discriminate based on sexual preference.

The government compels people to abide by a wide array of fair business practices. If a person is incapable of abiding by these practices, they don't get to do business in my country.

How many dozens of pages are we going to watch you morons struggle with this concept?
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Did you miss the link about the wedding photographer and supreme court refusing the case because it was a state law issue?
Wait, did you miss the part where NM found them guilty of discrimination and THEY were the ones appealing and SCOTUS declined? lol
 

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The government compels people to abide by a wide array of fair business practices. If a person is incapable of abiding by these practices, they don't get to do business in my country.

How many dozens of pages are we going to watch you morons struggle with this concept?
You missed the point where the people you disagree with don't give a fuck what you think on the matter because you're wrong.
 

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You missed the point where the people you disagree with don't give a fuck what you think on the matter because you're wrong.
Black is white
Up is down
War is peace
Freedom is slavery

We have

1. The Constitution
2. The Bill of Rights
3. Every major court decision on the matter
4. The Civil Rights Act of 1964

On our side.

You've got a chuckle fuck governor who has already had to walk this horseshit back while simultaneously watching his presidential hopes go up in smoke in the process, and a bunch of bible thumping mouth breathers who think they're being oppressed by being asked to be decent human beings in this nation, on yours.

Wait, did you miss the part where NM found them guilty of discrimination and THEY were the ones appealing and SCOTUS declined? lol
Yes, apparently he did lol.
 

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You missed the point where the people you disagree with don't give a fuck what you think on the matter because you're wrong.
Welp why continue a discussion with someone entrenched in their immature and foolish viewpoint. Im done with you sir.
 

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Incorrect if they want to alter those laws to allow businesses to discriminate based on sexual preference.



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Nice opinion but you have but you do actually need get a supreme court ruling saying so for it to be true. As court left it there was no ruling on federal level and states are free to alter there state laws as they see fit.
 

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Nice opinion but you have but you do actually need get a supreme court ruling saying so for it to be true. As court left it there was no ruling on federal level and states are free to alter there state laws as they see fit.
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You missed the point where the people you disagree with don't give a fuck what you think on the matter because you're wrong.
I wasn't stating an opinion, so you disagreeing with me is kinda like someone disagreeing that water is wet.
 

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That's nice. The implication was that the wedding photographer won the case and the Supreme's refused to hear the appeal by the gay couple. That is 180 degrees out of phase with what happened.

When called on that it is then claimed that it was just "procedural"

That's nice.

The wedding photographerlost that casewhich is why the Supremes didn't need to take it up.

Had she won it, we don't know if theyd have taken the case up or not, but its irrelevant.



All I'm seeing is straw grasping non sequitors here.

We about done here fellas?
No the entire ruling in new mexico case was based upon state law. You were the one implying that states could not alter there laws if they so chose because of federal law/Constitution has no support in that case. that case is what started the ball moving that led to the recent Indiana law. Because the failure of supreme court to make a decision put the ball squarely into state legislators court in regards to the issue.

Your argument of constitution forcing private business to provide services they don't wish to is garbage nether the bill of rights are 14th amendment cover that. You look like a idiot for even trying to make that argument. The only link to the constitution is derived from congress ability to make laws regulating the mater.

People said you were a tough debater but your just plain sucking in this thread.