Indiana...Religious Freedom eh? sigh

Siddar · Apr 3, 2015

hodj_sl said:
Not allowing businesses to discriminate is not and never will be analogous to slavery. Facile and pathetic doublethink arguments are facile and pathetic

Reductio ad absurdum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So what your saying is you were only acting retarded?

hodj · Apr 3, 2015

Siddar_sl said:
So what your saying is you were only acting retarded?

So what you're saying is you can't pass a basic logic class, and can't read?

A reductio ad absurdum is a logical argument construction. Not a fallacy. It is a way of demonstrating the fallaciousness of a position by reducing it to its absurd conclusions.

You are really working hard on making yourself look foolish today, aren't you?

Furry · Apr 3, 2015

hodj_sl said:
Not allowing businesses to discriminate is not and never will be analogous to slavery. Facile and pathetic doublethink arguments are facile and pathetic

A definition of slavery:the subjection of a person to another person, esp in being forced into work

You see to remove a person's right to say no to work. I'm okay with doctors being slaves in emergency rooms, but only because of the greater benefit to society. What greater benefit to society is there in a gay getting the cake/photographer they want.

Siddar · Apr 3, 2015

hodj_sl said:
So what you're saying is you can't pass a basic logic class, and can't read?

A reductio ad absurdum is a logical argument construction. Not a fallacy. It is a way of demonstrating the fallaciousness of a position by reducing it to its absurd conclusions.

You are really working hard on making yourself look foolish today, aren't you?

Also known as acting like a retard by making absurd statements and then attributing them to your opponents when you know it has no basis in fact.

hodj · Apr 3, 2015

Preventing businesses from discriminating against their customers isn't subjugation, or forcing someone to work.

Keep digging that hole deeper by trying to compare telling businesses they can't discriminate in their dealings tokidnapping people from their homelands, beating them with whips, forcing them to work grueling hours in a field for no pay, forcibly marrying them, selling their wives and children off as property. All you're doing is demonstrating the extreme degrees you have to dig to try and justify your absurd position.

And still failing in the process.

Siddar_sl said:
Also known as acting like a retard by making absurd statements and then attributing them to your opponents when you know it has no basis in fact.

Incorrect.

And stupid.

Furry · Apr 3, 2015

hodj_sl said:
Preventing businesses from discriminating against their customers isn't subjugation, or forcing someone to work.

So what happens if they say no and don't work? Oh wait, they can't.

hodj · Apr 3, 2015

Furry_sl said:
So what happens if they say no and don't work? Oh wait, they can't.

You don't have a legal right to discriminate in your business dealings based on sexual preference, race, gender, religion, biological sex, etc.

Continue to deal with it.

Its seriously time for you both to stop posting this facile nonsense. You've shit up the thread enough.

Come up with a better argument than this circular horseshit, or move on.

Sebudai · Apr 3, 2015

Furry_sl said:
So what happens if they say no and don't work? Oh wait, they can't.

Same thing that happens if they refuse to abide by one of the many other mandatory fair business practices.

If you don't want to abide by them, don't go into business in this country. Move to Somalia.

Siddar · Apr 3, 2015

hodj_sl said:
Preventing businesses from discriminating against their customers isn't subjugation, or forcing someone to work.

Keep digging that hole deeper by trying to compare telling businesses they can't discriminate in their dealings tokidnapping people from their homelands, beating them with whips, forcing them to work grueling hours in a field for no pay, forcibly marrying them, selling their wives and children off as property. All you're doing is demonstrating the extreme degrees you have to dig to try and justify your absurd position.

And still failing in the process.

Incorrect.

And stupid.

You don't seem to understand the difference between libertarians and anarchists. What you said was not a libertarian position at all it was a good example of the basic dividing point between libertarians and anarchists.

hodj · Apr 3, 2015

Siddar_sl said:
You don't seem to understand the difference between libertarians and anarchists. What you said was not a libertarian position at all it was a good example of the basic dividing point between libertarians and anarchists.

That's nice.

Furry · Apr 3, 2015

hodj_sl said:
You don't have a legal right to discriminate in your business dealings based on sexual preference, race, gender, religion, biological sex, etc.

Continue to deal with it.

I'm not supporting an idea that forces people to work, its just that they have to work or they're breaking the law, and they need to learn to deal with that.

This is literally you're argument. I don't think a slave master in the south could of put it any better.

Sebudai · Apr 3, 2015

"Business owners are therealslaves, guys!"

Hahaha.

hodj · Apr 3, 2015

Furry and Siddar have pretty much gone full Moon bat on this subject.

When proven demonstrably wrong from every possible angle for hours upon hours, they simply return back to the start to their baseless assertions that have already been rebutted 100 times already.

Its pathetic.

Furry · Apr 3, 2015

Sebudai_sl said:
"Business owners are therealslaves, guys!"

Hahaha.

If you set up a system where work is required of them, they would be. It'll be interesting to see how this concept begins to apply to the internet over time. The SJWs are watching, and they will come after your websites and games. Game is released without their definition of equal representation... Sue them because you weren't provided what you require as a consumer.

It sounds far fetched now, but give it time.

AngryGerbil · Apr 3, 2015

Furry_sl said:
If you set up a system where work is required of them, they would be. It'll be interesting to see how this concept begins to apply to the internet over time. The SJWs are watching, and they will come after your websites and games. Game is released without their definition of equal representation... Sue them because you weren't provided what you require as a consumer.

It sounds far fetched now, but give it time.

I won't lie, this does cross my mind from time to time.

Furry · Apr 3, 2015

hodj_sl said:
Furry and Siddar have pretty much gone full Moon bat on this subject.

When proven demonstrably wrong from every possible angle for hours upon hours, they simply return back to the start to their baseless assertions that have already been rebutted 100 times already.

Its pathetic.

I honestly haven't read anything siddar has said, or anyone's responses to him, so I can't comment on them. Where exactly have you objectively proven anything I've said wrong? All my arguments in this thread have been subjective and moral, is it even possible to prove them one way or the other? You haven't offered up evidence that your argument is the morally superior one. You're arguing for compelled action, I'm arguing for individual freedom.

Fogel · Apr 3, 2015

Business owners opened up their businesses of their own free will, no one put a gun to their head on that matter. It's at that point when you advertise a service or good, you need to provide it to all or none.

Selix · Apr 3, 2015

Furry_sl said:
I'm not supporting an idea that forces people to work, its just that they have to work or they're breaking the law, and they need to learn to deal with that.

This is literally you're argument. I don't think a slave master in the south could of put it any better.

Unlike slaves they have the option of not working at all and not being beaten to death for it. Sure it's not a great option but it's that or don't discriminate. If it must be just call it a question of lesser evils.

Furry · Apr 3, 2015

Fogel_sl said:
Business owners opened up their businesses of their own free will, no one put a gun to their head on that matter. It's at that point when you advertise a service or good, you need to provide it to all or none.

So the KKK walks in to a family friendly restaurant. They then proceed to hold a rally there. Does the owner have the power to deny service? I would say yes, you would say no?

Sebudai · Apr 3, 2015

Furry_sl said:
If you set up a system where work is required of them, they would be. It'll be interesting to see how this concept begins to apply to the internet over time. The SJWs are watching, and they will come after your websites and games. Game is released without their definition of equal representation... Sue them because you weren't provided what you require as a consumer.

It sounds far fetched now, but give it time.

Don't try to distract me from your retardation by appealing to my hatred of SJWs, bro. I don't lose focus. You're likening being forced to treat fags equally in business dealings to slavery. Own it.

Man it's a real mystery as to why libertarians don't enjoy more representation in our government! With ideas like the above, how do they ever lose an election?!!

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