Interstellar (2014)

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spronk_sl said:
my instincts tell me everything you guys are saying is bullshit about future humans being outside causality but i am not smart enough to debate the point
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It could have been Ancients. I don't take coopers word that it was humans. I mean it could have been, but not necessarily.
 
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X X E X X_sl said:
Edge of Tomorrow was such an awesome movie and it really didnt get its due in theaters for reasons beyond me.
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It had the most tone-deaf marketing campaign of all time, with the weird voice-altered EDM in the trailer. They changed the name of the film three times: "All You Need Is Kill", "Edge of Tomorrow", and "Live. Die. Repeat: Edge of Tomorrow", with the last title change coming for the Blu Ray. It was baffling and sad, because its actually a good movie that deserved to make way more. It still eked out $100m US box office, so ended up not losing money but still nowhere near what it should have made.

lendarios_sl said:
It could have been Ancients. I don't take coopers word that it was humans. I mean it could have been, but not necessarily.
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Cooper is basing his theory that "it's us" on his earlier revelation that he lead himself to NASA, which is then followed up by revisiting the "bulk being" contact Brand had in the wormhole space, showing it to actually be Cooper instead. I wouldn't argue about it being non-explicit but clearly in the context of the film we are meant to believe Cooper.

lendarios_sl said:
the movie is on the third loop of time, since the actions are not conflicting, the loop is stable and the time line continues.
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STAHP. There isn't anything in the movie to indicate time loops of any sort, much less countable ones.

In the original script, there was only a single planet around Gargantua in a decaying orbit; on that planet they find a crystalline life that takes on many different shapes, almost lego style, very close to the fake world that Dr. Mann describes as part of his ruse. Cooper brings this lifeform back with him to Earth, hundreds of years later, to find that this life form excels in now-nitrogen-rich atmosphere of ruined Earth, while humanity lives on space stations they use as staging platforms to investigate a wormhole network that leads throughout a complex of galaxies. So in that whole movie, the Benefactor "help" was to use enlist humans as a vessel to save these crystalline creators, rather than ourselves.

That paragraph from a fundamentally differentInterstellarmovie has as much relation to what Christopher Nolan actually shot as your time loop theory. More, actually, since it was at least the plot of the movie at one time.
 
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Agraza_sl said:
I'm fine with them adapting novels. How is that substantially different from developing a screenplay originally? Novels are often better. It's usually an unfortunate process of bad decisions when they adapt a novel. To this day the only book->movie adaptation I feel was actually an improvement is The Postman. That book is fucking tarded. But still, the movies adapted from books are solid stories regardless of the loss in translation.
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You can add The Princess Bride. The movie was as good, if not better than the book. And I love the book too.
 
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What does my neighbor have to do with this!

Movie was just kind of lame. A lot of parts didn't even make sense or have any reason for being there. Like when all the "combines" randomly showed up at his house and had to be reset. What was the point of that?! Or Matt Damon being crazy and trying to kill him. What did he think was going to happen? Gets back to the crew and just WHELP SORRY GUYS BUT HES GONE BTW I FAKED ALL THE INFO CAN WE GO NOW? Also I didn't like the fact that everything seemed to neatly work out in the end despite all odds pointing to the opposite having to happen.
 
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Sutekh_sl said:
Also I didn't like the fact that everything seemed to neatly work out in the end despite all odds pointing to the opposite having to happen.
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When I took a creative writing course in college the professor stated this, "The Hero needs to beat all of the odds at the end. When everything seems lost, he needs to pull a victory out of thin air. But, it really isn't out of thin air, is it? Every decision that the Hero makes along the journey needs to culminate in a single scene where the bad guy or the opposing force is defeating. Despite the odds, the Hero wins not because all of a sudden he can, but because of the decisions he made throughout the story and the lessons he learned from his encounters."

The words aren't exact, so sorry for using quotations, but you catch the drift. Anyway, I try to apply this reasoning to a lot of books I read and movies I watch. The stories that fall into line with this logic seem to be a step ahead of the others. That being said, while I liked Interstellar, the story was flawed and could have been better.
 
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Campbell1004_sl said:
When I took a creative writing course in college the professor stated this, "The Hero needs to beat all of the odds at the end. When everything seems lost, he needs to pull a victory out of thin air. But, it really isn't out of thin air, is it? Every decision that the Hero makes along the journey needs to culminate in a single scene where the bad guy or the opposing force is defeating. Despite the odds, the Hero wins not because all of a sudden he can, but because of the decisions he made throughout the story and the lessons he learned from his encounters."

The words aren't exact, so sorry for using quotations, but you catch the drift. Anyway, I try to apply this reasoning to a lot of books I read and movies I watch. The stories that fall into line with this logic seem to be a step ahead of the others. That being said, while I liked Interstellar, the story was flawed and could have been better.
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The Hero's Journey does not always end in success...
 
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On a slightly related note, I think Matt Damon wasn't really thinking things through with his blissful solitude. I can't imagine what is involved with raising dozens or even hundreds of fucking embryos to at least the age where they can take care of themselves, let alone adulthood. Unless they just grow to adulthood like clones in a vat, can you imagine the absolute fucking nightmare of changing all those (certainly not brought on the spaceship) diapers, the constant crying, puking, pooping, peeing, and snot? One or two babies is enough for most people, how the fuck do they think two people (one if he never survived and went back to join her) and a robot are supposed to raise a new civilization from scratch?

And that's not even counting all the food, water, and shelter related shit they'd have to be taking care of at the same time. Seriously, now that I think about it more, how was that ever going to work even with four people and two robots? It isn't like you'd want to wait too long to start popping out a couple of dozen embryos because the chances of something happening to the embryos or the people goes up the longer you wait, and you can't risk dooming the entire human race because you fucked up and died by accident.
 
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Vvoid_sl said:
On a slightly related note, I think Matt Damon wasn't really thinking things through with his blissful solitude. I can't imagine what is involved with raising dozens or even hundreds of fucking embryos to at least the age where they can take care of themselves, let alone adulthood. Unless they just grow to adulthood like clones in a vat, can you imagine the absolute fucking nightmare of changing all those (certainly not brought on the spaceship) diapers, the constant crying, puking, pooping, peeing, and snot? One or two babies is enough for most people, how the fuck do they think two people (one if he never survived and went back to join her) and a robot are supposed to raise a new civilization from scratch?

And that's not even counting all the food, water, and shelter related shit they'd have to be taking care of at the same time. Seriously, now that I think about it more, how was that ever going to work even with four people and two robots? It isn't like you'd want to wait too long to start popping out a couple of dozen embryos because the chances of something happening to the embryos or the people goes up the longer you wait, and you can't risk dooming the entire human race because you fucked up and died by accident.
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Clearly you didn't think this through bro. You see they release like 4 babies, raise them up until they're old enough to let Tars/Chase take over. Get back in their rocket ship and fly near the big wave planet for like 2 hours, come back and release some more. Rinse repeat until they're like 300 something "years" old and the population's already trucking along! Duh moron how could you not get that.
 
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Sutekh_sl said:
Clearly you didn't think this through bro. You see they release like 4 babies, raise them up until they're old enough to let Tars/Chase take over. Get back in their rocket ship and fly near the big wave planet for like 2 hours, come back and release some more. Rinse repeat until they're like 300 something "years" old and the population's already trucking along! Duh moron how could you not get that.
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I had a great counter-argument about fuel, but I like your idea, it's got moxy, so I'm going to admit that yet again I'm a failure
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Vvoid_sl said:
I had a great counter-argument about fuel, but I like your idea, it's got moxy, so I'm going to admit that yet again I'm a failure
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He went into the black hole and TARS learned everything there is to know, such as the eternal engine that requires no fuel or something. I'm bored just like I was watching this movie.
 
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Sutekh_sl said:
It does in Interstellar ... He even supposedly gets the annoying young girl that went to a planet TO BE WITH HER BOYFRIEND.
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Yeah I didn't get that bit because I didn't feel any romantic lead up at all between those two - then suddenly his daughter is like 'yeah we only reunited for 10 seconds but I guess I'm gonna die so go back and bang that chick you were in space with.' It just felt tacked on so they could have a romantic closure as an excuse to give Cooper an ending that isn't pointless.
 
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Hes completely disconnected from the reality he woke up to. Thats also a classic SciFi topic in time travel, cryoengineering stories etc.
So by his adventure he paid the ultimate price and then chooses to go after that dumb space chick because he has more bonding with her by then, than any other remnant of human race.
 
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