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Flobee said:
The dude responsible for worldcoin was never going to be a good guy. That project is legitimately evil. I suspect everything else he does will be awful as well
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Me and Flobee Flobee in 100% agreement, things have gotta be fucking fucked.

We're doomed.
 
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So theyve been trying to oust him and their previous attempt failed.
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Bloomberg printing this rumor today, so it may have some kind of legs. That rumor is that he was trying to start a chip company to rival NVidia:
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www.bloomberg.com

Altman Sought Billions For Chip Venture Before OpenAI Ouster

In the weeks leading up to his shocking ouster from OpenAI, Sam Altman was actively working to raise billions from some of the world’s largest investors for a new chip venture, according to people familiar with the matter.
www.bloomberg.com www.bloomberg.com
 
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Board stands firm and Altman is still out. Murati is out now, replaced as interim CEO by Emmett Shear, founder of Twitch. Such a great choice. I know when I need real guidance on something I go right to fucking Twitch...

www.reuters.com

Altman will not return as CEO of OpenAI - The Information

Sam Altman is discussing a possible return even as he considers launching a new AI venture. His firing angered current and former employees, and prompted worries over an upcoming $86 billion share sale.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com
 
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Captain Suave said:
Board stands firm and Altman is still out. Murati is out now, replaced as interim CEO by Emmett Shear, founder of Twitch. Such a great choice. I know when I need real guidance on something I go right to fucking Twitch...

www.reuters.com

Altman will not return as CEO of OpenAI - The Information

Sam Altman is discussing a possible return even as he considers launching a new AI venture. His firing angered current and former employees, and prompted worries over an upcoming $86 billion share sale.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com
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www.cnbc.com

Ousted OpenAI head Sam Altman to lead Microsoft's new AI team

Former OpenAI CEO Sam Altman will be joining Microsoft to lead a new advanced AI research team, according to Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella.
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com

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OpenAI pivoting to Thot GPTs, confirmed?



The drama continues!
 
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Also, Meta trying to bury this in the shuffle:
www.cnbc.com

Facebook-parent Meta breaks up its Responsible AI team

Most members of the RAI team have been reassigned to the company's Generative AI product division.
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com

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So the people handing out open source models to the world has no AI safety team anymore. Cool.

Humanity, going just great.

OH SHIT, new news:



Shit moves fast.
 
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Werent those "safety" teams primarily responsible for making sure LLMs dont say anything that goes against woke orthodoxy?
 
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Werent those "safety" teams primarily responsible for making sure LLMs dont say anything that goes against woke orthodoxy?
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Only in the minds of crazy people obsessed with anti-woke. They're mostly to make sure they're not used as cyberweapons. I already saw one demo last week that could automatically generate exploit payloads for over a decade's worth of legacy vulnerabilities that are often found on unpatched internet-facing systems. And even if they're not internet-facing, once inside a network using some other method, boom.
 
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"mostly" is doing a hell of a heavy lift in that sentence. So you are not disputing that they were there to root out Thought Crime, just saying they were "mostly" responsible for other stuff?
 
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Aldarion said:
"mostly" is doing a hell of a heavy lift in that sentence. So you are not disputing that they were there to root out Thought Crime, just saying they were "mostly" responsible for other stuff?
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These are products, mainly built for inclusion in deployable enterprise applications. No one wants customer-facing chatbot that starts yelling "HITLER WAS RIGHT" in the middle of talking about returning the menorah grandma bought from Homegoods. It's not "woke", it's basic business functionality. Given the history of internet-facing bots, this is a serious business risk.

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Another thing the safety teams do is make sure that LLMs don't leak internal data and/or proprietary data, or their initial prompts, during interactions.
 
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Is it known if MS has some sort of like right of first refusal on OpenAI assets? Seems like take all the employees, tank the company, buy it at discount providing you can keep competitors out?
 
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Is it known if MS has some sort of like right of first refusal on OpenAI assets? Seems like take all the employees, tank the company, buy it at discount providing you can keep competitors out?
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They already have the model weights for the models that have already been trained. They probably have the training sets too.

There's very little other assets they might even want.

The code that generates new foundational models from a training set is actually quite small, laughably small compared to something like Windows. The key employees could bang it out in an afternoon over a few pizzas.
 
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Mist said:
They already have the model weights for the models that have already been trained. They probably have the training sets too.

There's very little other assets they might even want.

The code that generates new foundational models from a training set is actually quite small, laughably small compared to something like Windows. The key employees could bang it out in an afternoon over a few pizzas.
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Yes but it's all under license right so they would want to acquire it so their competitors don't get the same.
 
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Yes but it's all under license right so they would want to acquire it so their competitors don't get the same.
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Sure, not sure their competitors want 2-year-old model weights at this point, but some might. The pruned training sets are probably valuable, but not billions of dollars valuable.

for anyone that wants to read what the former Twitch CEO has to say about this.

My outside read on all of this is that the technology, in its current state, is already near-maxed out, and really only good for making consumer products and enterprise subscription assistant thingies. GPT5 is going to cost a lot to train and not be that much better than GPT4. All signs point to GPTs being unable to generalize outside of their training sets, aka unable to think of things humans haven't thought of before. It will be productized in a lot of ways, but not world-changing ones.
 
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Sure, not sure their competitors want 2-year-old model weights at this point, but some might. The pruned training sets are probably valuable, but not billions of dollars valuable.

for anyone that wants to read what the former Twitch CEO has to say about this.

My outside read on all of this is that the technology, in its current state, is already near-maxed out, and really only good for making consumer products and enterprise subscription assistant thingies. GPT5 is going to cost a lot to train and not be that much better than GPT4. All signs point to GPTs being unable to generalize outside of their training sets, aka unable to think of things humans haven't thought of before. It will be productized in a lot of ways, but not world-changing ones.
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Of course, just a more robust script for NPC dialogue. Of course the negatives far outweigh the positives IMO, yes you can save money on labor for customer service, to an extent, I'm sure the "good" scripts won't be cheap and probably require annual licensing but the majority of people buying your shit won't have jobs anymore.

It's an awful lot like the current theory on our supply chains, zero inventory stock to save money with same day or next day delivery. If anything fucks up the entire model collapses and you can't sell anything.

Unfortunately for the market AI is the only current thing to look forward to for "growth."
 
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Sure, not sure their competitors want 2-year-old model weights at this point, but some might. The pruned training sets are probably valuable, but not billions of dollars valuable.

for anyone that wants to read what the former Twitch CEO has to say about this.

My outside read on all of this is that the technology, in its current state, is already near-maxed out, and really only good for making consumer products and enterprise subscription assistant thingies. GPT5 is going to cost a lot to train and not be that much better than GPT4. All signs point to GPTs being unable to generalize outside of their training sets, aka unable to think of things humans haven't thought of before. It will be productized in a lot of ways, but not world-changing ones.
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Feels like anyone willing to take this offer isn't a good fit. Like asking who wants to be the next captain while the ship is on fire and sinking.
 
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