IT/Software career thread: Invert binary trees for dollars.
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Noodleface
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I definitely like using it for making scripts, it seems to excel at that. Probably because it's all pretty straightforward
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Did you guys know that older versions of 32-bit dash can't handle glob syntax for file systems with inode value greater than 2^32? So if you do something simple like `ls /some/nfs/mount/*`, dash thinks nothing is there instead of resolving the asterisk.
I have no idea what our marketing department is charging to support a glibc version that is decades old, but it's not enough.
I have no idea what our marketing department is charging to support a glibc version that is decades old, but it's not enough.
Phazael
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The decline of the workplace in general, but especially IT, began when HR went from being simply a facilitator to becoming a gatekeeper in who can enter the workforce. Blue hair cat ladies cock blocking qualified candidates due to DEI optics or other factors is a big part of how things have fallen to shit. HR should have never progressed past being glorified clerks for time card tracking.
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TJT
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Some years ago I developed an automated data science/regression model for the recruiting team to analyze applications to hires. People conflate it but HR and Recruiting have always been completely separate wherever I have worked. HR does have huge influence in salary bands, benefits, and most importantly headcount. Unless someone who runs the money lays down the law and says we absolutely need 5 more headcount across these teams HR will be the one dictating who gets headcount. Finance being more interested in money results in HR having an outsized influence on it overall.
One major factor is recruiting software. I discussed it in here some years ago when I made this and I bitch about Indians often enough. But Indians use recruiting software heavily and Americans, Asians, and Europeans generally do not. What I mean by this is that you can get software suites that help you create 5 resumes that are slightly different and you link them to 5 different emails that are all yours. Then you shotgun blast this to every single job posted that even remotely touches on your job parameters. You would never see this though unless you peek under the hood and holistically analyze the massive amounts of data that goes into a recruiting funnel (for any job) in the past 10 or so years. This is all automated mind you so once you set this up in India it just does its thing and you wait for recruiters to contact you.
This is why people complain that Indians have 10000 applications to a job within the first hour that its posted. 100% of the time. When you look at a recruiting funnel its like this, overwhelmingly so, at least in tech and now even in business. So you get the following for a posting for say, a lead software engineer:
These are not real emails I completely made them up. Forum software is just gay.
Now, it may seem obvious that that is all the same person but that is only if you are looking for it. Recruiters don't go through applications that way and most Americans generally don't think that people would do this so they just go "oh well that's some Indian name seems common enough" and they spend their time going through each as if it were someone different. It may not sound effective but on a scale of millions upon millions of applications and millions of people using it. It is very effective overall.
Everything I have heard in the past 5 years is that this has become exponentially more common than it was before. We can say before and after the Rona I guess. It makes hiring far harder for good old Andy Wokowski from Madison, Wisconsin and that pain is being felt by everyone. Even in this thread when job hunting was at least tolerable to being a total ass nightmare like it is right now.
This is far before you have auto-rejection rules that are just designed by retarded HR or Recruiters who have no understanding of the roles they are hiring for. Which is an entirely different problem and why recruiter orgs have such high churn. In addition to not understanding how to use recruitment platforms such as Greenhouse to any particular effect beyond out of the box features and they just go into production and go hey this filter sounds cool and edit it with what they want to auto-reject. Not understanding how it works or what it does or was designed to do.
However, the rock solid recruiters are paid big bucks and commissions because they are very good at understanding roles and finding the right people to fill the right seats. Moving into specialties like executive recruiting where they do nothing but headhunt for VP or higher for companies and move around because they are quite good at it and paid very handsomely.
One major factor is recruiting software. I discussed it in here some years ago when I made this and I bitch about Indians often enough. But Indians use recruiting software heavily and Americans, Asians, and Europeans generally do not. What I mean by this is that you can get software suites that help you create 5 resumes that are slightly different and you link them to 5 different emails that are all yours. Then you shotgun blast this to every single job posted that even remotely touches on your job parameters. You would never see this though unless you peek under the hood and holistically analyze the massive amounts of data that goes into a recruiting funnel (for any job) in the past 10 or so years. This is all automated mind you so once you set this up in India it just does its thing and you wait for recruiters to contact you.
This is why people complain that Indians have 10000 applications to a job within the first hour that its posted. 100% of the time. When you look at a recruiting funnel its like this, overwhelmingly so, at least in tech and now even in business. So you get the following for a posting for say, a lead software engineer:
These are not real emails I completely made them up. Forum software is just gay.
- [email protected] -> Software Engineer
- [email protected] -> Automation Engineer
- [email protected] -> Web Developer
- [email protected] -> Senior Software Developer
- [email protected] -> Senior Software Engineer
- [email protected] -> Senior Software Developer
Now, it may seem obvious that that is all the same person but that is only if you are looking for it. Recruiters don't go through applications that way and most Americans generally don't think that people would do this so they just go "oh well that's some Indian name seems common enough" and they spend their time going through each as if it were someone different. It may not sound effective but on a scale of millions upon millions of applications and millions of people using it. It is very effective overall.
Everything I have heard in the past 5 years is that this has become exponentially more common than it was before. We can say before and after the Rona I guess. It makes hiring far harder for good old Andy Wokowski from Madison, Wisconsin and that pain is being felt by everyone. Even in this thread when job hunting was at least tolerable to being a total ass nightmare like it is right now.
This is far before you have auto-rejection rules that are just designed by retarded HR or Recruiters who have no understanding of the roles they are hiring for. Which is an entirely different problem and why recruiter orgs have such high churn. In addition to not understanding how to use recruitment platforms such as Greenhouse to any particular effect beyond out of the box features and they just go into production and go hey this filter sounds cool and edit it with what they want to auto-reject. Not understanding how it works or what it does or was designed to do.
However, the rock solid recruiters are paid big bucks and commissions because they are very good at understanding roles and finding the right people to fill the right seats. Moving into specialties like executive recruiting where they do nothing but headhunt for VP or higher for companies and move around because they are quite good at it and paid very handsomely.
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Noodleface
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I am an "AI champion" at work now. Basically just a liaison between the corporate bullshit and our firmware group on the adoption.
It's funny especially because I think AI is a worthless bubble.
It's funny especially because I think AI is a worthless bubble.
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ToeMissile
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Siliconemelons
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Having worked in HR for 2.5 years, I concur.
I was in HR -> Professional Development -> Staff LMS System Admin
So I was kinda insulated being in PD, but I was still in all the HR meetings and such.
Also I got into this company wide online meeting invite, that slowly over the years got widdled down from anyone, to "anyone" to "mostly everyone" etc. it reviewed all major departments metric tracking... oh this is a higher ed school btw... so any "programs" had their metrics and stuff reviewed etc. overall enrollment bla bla - I really wish I had recorded them all. You basically could watch "Hey! We are starting program / initiative #13145 for black and brown students!" and you can see the historic metrics they bring up to support the need "oh look, they historically do not do well! BUT IF WE DO -whatever random crap- THEY WILL DO BETTER" - so you then watch as they spend hours and hours and thousands and thousands of $ - and you watch the metrics up tick for a semester or 2, there is much jubilation, then a NEW initiative in a slightly different department says "Because of the success of 13145, we want to do 13146 and focus on black and brown first time in college men!" - and everyone rabble rabbles yeah yeah rah rah! - and THEY start their thing - meanwhile, 13145, if you pay attention, is still reporting their metrics, just not as long, and very quickly (bc they dont want to 'take focus from the new initiative') - but really, its because their numbers have reverted to factory norms...yet their initiative is now a "standard" because of its success - and we keep doing it even though it has 0 real affect or effect or anything... and the NEW one shows "Oh look at this spike! we estimate that it will continue!" and NO ONE DARES point back to the first.
This cycle continues year after year after year and you get initiatives and programs that do nothing that turn into departments and established protocols rather than being dumped and putting resources into something new.
Also... it is funny that they always will point back to "Historic metrics" - showing the need for some intervention and program... while then ignoring that during those "historic" times there WERE PROGRAMS JUST LIKE YOURS THAT DID NOTHING OBVIOUSLY TO CHANGE ANYTHING.
Oh sorry rant...on topic... I am sure it is worse now- but then HR mostly "made sure the candidate pool was diverse" - so we would have jobs sit in "pending - open" waiting for a black dude to apply, so THEN they would release the pool to the hiring manager.
Then, they made it where you /had/ to interview certain HR picked people from the pool...
Dont know how it is now- but I am sure its escalated.
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Phazael
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HR does initial screen. Every position I have sat on a hiring committee for is this way for the last fifteen years. And it always goes the same way. They give us one qualified white guy and a bunch of Burger King Diversity Meal fixer uppers. And the white guy often has some huge red flags you have to delve into, or is an alphabet ally person. Ex Mil that they have to let through are the only semi normal options by the time the people who HAVE to hire and work with the dude get to even start evaluating candidates.
I personally beat out a pool of 30 DEI specials to get my current job but thats because the company really needed someone qualified and not a head case in a leadership position, plus I have a spotless 30 year work history in IT. Even then some Mexicunt and a rando Nog Fag were being pushed hard by the HR to be hired instead of me. I beat them out specifically because neither had any real experience beyond basic service desk and zero qualifications on their resumes. And I still had to fight that shit.
I personally beat out a pool of 30 DEI specials to get my current job but thats because the company really needed someone qualified and not a head case in a leadership position, plus I have a spotless 30 year work history in IT. Even then some Mexicunt and a rando Nog Fag were being pushed hard by the HR to be hired instead of me. I beat them out specifically because neither had any real experience beyond basic service desk and zero qualifications on their resumes. And I still had to fight that shit.
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I sit on an interview team as well. 4 years ago we had a black recruiter dedicated to our team. he only ever fed us qualified white dudes. our team was 12 white dudes. then 2023 hits we lay off half the team. then wham we need to recruit again. new recruiter send us nothing but retarded africans, and every bbq person there is. not a single white dude.
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TJT
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This is what happened to our SRE team.
I find the SRE role to be generally whatever but for pretty much any real problem you need someone highly competent to find a solution in any reasonable timeframe. Due to them needing to understand systems of systems and tons of gay ass network shit that I hate messing with. We got rid of all of our whiteboy SRE team and now its 3/4 actual Africans who can barely do the low level stuff. I shouldn't have to explain in detail exactly what kind of permission change needs to be done to resolve whatever hurdle I have. But for them I do.
Yet, when we had that Crowdstrike issue the only dudes capable of actually fixing it pronto were the remaining old guys on the SRE team. None of them were Africans, unsurprisingly.
Much like
Phazael
's kind of role as well. You can get by with retards until something actually breaks for real. Which is why so many "IT managers" I've seen in recent years have somehow no background in IT at all. Or help desk only and other trivial shit and degrees in stage management (not kidding on that part lol).- 2
Palum
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This is what happened to our SRE team.
I find the SRE role to be generally whatever but for pretty much any real problem you need someone highly competent to find a solution in any reasonable timeframe. Due to them needing to understand systems of systems and tons of gay ass network shit that I hate messing with. We got rid of all of our whiteboy SRE team and now its 3/4 actual Africans who can barely do the low level stuff. I shouldn't have to explain in detail exactly what kind of permission change needs to be done to resolve whatever hurdle I have. But for them I do.
Yet, when we had that Crowdstrike issue the only dudes capable of actually fixing it pronto were the remaining old guys on the SRE team. None of them were Africans, unsurprisingly.
Much like
There's also an age component, even the young gen z white people are largely clueless because they do not know how to problem solve or think through things analytically. I have literally solved 2/3rds of our incidents by posting random pictures to the chat channel, without bothering to read anything, because I know no one did basic triage or analysis of anything. Turns out it's almost always something stupid like DNS. I'm not even in the IT support org, they just drag me into chats constantly because they know I have a habit of suggesting the problem.
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TJT
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I think its a bit worse than that when you have key teams get DEI'd because those teams "don't do much" when things are working fine. Such as network or IT dudes. So after they set things up they have minimal active time. Compared to the software dev side where you can't really put someone totally unable to code on the team and not have it immediately noticed. As they can't complete tickets, can't read code, can't produce any solutions, etc. Not that I haven't seen it happen but those people do get removed rather quickly.
Which leads to those teams getting filled with retards who are incapable of anything beyond basic administration, this chugs along just fine until something actually technically complex breaks. This can be a minor DNS correction but these people would never think to look at DNS and probably have no idea how to anyway.
Which leads to those teams getting filled with retards who are incapable of anything beyond basic administration, this chugs along just fine until something actually technically complex breaks. This can be a minor DNS correction but these people would never think to look at DNS and probably have no idea how to anyway.
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Khane
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Well thats what happens when people with absolutely none of the necessary experience are put in charge of teams and thus, hiring for those teams. Same thing is happening at my company right now as well. Its incredibly stressful and rage inducing. And every time I start talking to recruiters I tell them what I do and they clearly have no fucking idea what Im talking about either, and they don't even attempt to find open positions.
You'd think middleware/integration was the lost city of atlantis.
You'd think middleware/integration was the lost city of atlantis.
Phazael
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This is my entire life at work. No basic troubleshooting, researching, or critical thinking skills to fucking speak of on the main team. No ownership of issues or ambition, either. But they all think they should be able to have my role for some entitled reason, especially the Poos who are universally the worst guys in our department. And I am in a lot of bridge meetings for major issues and things always go down the same way. I ask a bunch of questions, other colleges say "nope" without really checking, I give my opinion on what the issue is being caused by "Its gotta be DNS" only to get shot down or outright mocked. Then all of these idiots either sit on their hands (google is apparently sorcery to these fucking morons, especially the Poos) or go down ridiculous rabbit holes for the sole purpose of being able to say it was not their fault. Then eventually I get permission to look at some protected systems to verify what I suspected in the first place. I then say "Ron Howard Voice: It was the DNS".There's also an age component, even the young gen z white people are largely clueless because they do not know how to problem solve or think through things analytically. I have literally solved 2/3rds of our incidents by posting random pictures to the chat channel, without bothering to read anything, because I know no one did basic triage or analysis of anything. Turns out it's almost always something stupid like DNS. I'm not even in the IT support org, they just drag me into chats constantly because they know I have a habit of suggesting the problem.
Upside is I got half my peers to watch Arrested Development and we make fun of the poos and other diversity hires who don't understand that reference. I mean I guess I should not complain, since they think I am some sort of super genius for being able to google shit and troubleshoot issues quickly and methodically. But yeah, just about every other fucking lead or manager either got promoted there for Peter Principle reasons or were some failed sales manager who hopped on the job because they wanted in on the IT boom. And no matter how bad they ever fuck up, nothing ever happens to them and I sometimes get asked to not be so mean when I get to the root of the issue.