Jupiter's Legacy
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Cybsled
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I did to, until a failed insurrection against lawfully elected president just resulted in the impacted party doubling down and looking for more ways to subvert democracy and yet they are still allowed to keep their positions
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rhinohelix
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The last 16 posts are why adding this "code" BS to the story was a shit idea and completely unnecessary. It's like the last two seasons of GOT but at the start of a show. The showrunners are borderline retarded and need to apologize to the Netflix viewing audience.
Caliane
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to be clear, Democracy/Republic versus superhuman Dictatorship was the plot of the comic. Should people be allowed to govern themselves, when they are weak, corrupt, and fallible. or, Should someone who lives 200-300years, has super intelligence and can read minds be in charge.
its the "we don't kill" part that was made up for the show. Which is pretty dumb, simply because its not really that hard of a debate. the morality for it, is pretty simple. Are you capable of disarming/incapacitating the target safely faster then they can harm someone? yes/no? if yes, then the moral answer is yes, you should try. if no, then yes, you should try to prevent harm to innocents by lethal means.
It makes sense for Superman, or the Flash to have a "no kill" rule, 99% of the time. but, even them, against someone that can either match their speed, or they lack the means to actually restrain, killing is the morally correct option.
its not complicated. they didn't even try to argue it though..
its the "we don't kill" part that was made up for the show. Which is pretty dumb, simply because its not really that hard of a debate. the morality for it, is pretty simple. Are you capable of disarming/incapacitating the target safely faster then they can harm someone? yes/no? if yes, then the moral answer is yes, you should try. if no, then yes, you should try to prevent harm to innocents by lethal means.
It makes sense for Superman, or the Flash to have a "no kill" rule, 99% of the time. but, even them, against someone that can either match their speed, or they lack the means to actually restrain, killing is the morally correct option.
its not complicated. they didn't even try to argue it though..
it occurs to me, this is some dumb setup for the fight. Either Sheldon is going to refuse to kill, while the others are attacking him. or he does kill, and that is some kind of impetus for the coup.
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Lanx
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yea in the comics you see for like practically 50 years walt is always comping to utopian and like "hey the fbi wants to work with us, think of how we can..."
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"i have these plans, maybe obama could use some help"
and utopian always shrugs him off like some retard, "lulz the ppl will govern themselves you idiot!"
but probably "we don't kill" is more relatable, visual and easier to show on tv.
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Aldarion
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yeah, it seems like thats why they added it.
In the comic, I couldnt sympathize with Walt's side even a little. They didnt make their case at all. Oh no bread lines, guess we need to impose a mind control dictatorship!
The Code gives them something to rebel against that everyone can sympathize with. Then later as the superhero led country goes to shit they can have the oh no what have we done moment
The Code gives them something to rebel against that everyone can sympathize with. Then later as the superhero led country goes to shit they can have the oh no what have we done moment
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chaos
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I think that the governance angle is a compelling story. The idea that the immortal demigods would think that they are the best ones to rule, or at least some of them would, is not only interesting but self-apparent. And a much more interesting motive for a super villain. The idea that you have super villains robbing banks and shit in the Marvel universe has always seemed campy and retarded. And it made the Utopian ACTUALLY noble instead of doing nobility cosplay. Yes, at any moment he could subjugate the entire Earth to his will, but he doesn't. I don't think Walter in the comics is sympathetic, but at least there is a debate with two sides that make sense in some way. I don't see how tacking on "no kill" to the code makes anything better or easier, story-wise. Do they think the rubes are too stupid to contemplate the idea of free will in a society with super people in it? We've already seen it many times so... wtf
And yeah, if you're going to do the no kill rule thing, fight for it, argue for it, make us understand why you wouldn't kill Hitler or Stalin or even just the super villain who is about to go nuclear and kill god knows how many people. Why is this specific principle the thing, why are all those lives worth sacrificing for that principle, and why did all of these other heroes go along with it. Instead we get Josh Duhamel's gruff voice saying "This isn't who we are..." Well then who the fuck are you? What is it you'd say you do here, Utopian, if not stop crazy villains from wiping out cities with their anti-matter heart chamber things?
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Lanx
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he's probably smarter than the average bear but only skyfox has like reed richards genius level.
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rhinohelix
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They did a way better job of showing this in "Jupiter's Circle"; they should have cut all three periods in to the story together, or told it prequel-style the way the did in the comics. The way it unfolds there is way better than this slow/Stupid roll out that makes no fucking sense. If people watching side with Brandon/Walter, then the TV show has failed because that breaks the other redemptive arcs that are also coming and I don't trust them to do those any better than the stupid code. Sheldon is an idealist, not an idiot, who lives up to the ideal and brings almost everyone else along with him.
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Leviothan
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Man, I finished this last night and this show drags. There is so much that can be explained or shown in just a few seconds that they just drag on and on.
I don’t get the code. Is it just Shel’s shoveled bullshit of governance in how supers should act or is it that they need an agreed upon set of beliefs based on how they obtained their powers?
I don’t get the code. Is it just Shel’s shoveled bullshit of governance in how supers should act or is it that they need an agreed upon set of beliefs based on how they obtained their powers?
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Mahes
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The Code was generated around how the Test had worked. Makes since that if you needed certain qualities to get the abilities that you should adhere to those qualities to use those abilities. Otherwise the Test would have been simply "Last person standing" gets the powers, and now you get to take over the world.
Caliane
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"no killing" actually came from his wife. Remember when Sheldon was losing his shit on the boat, and she stepped in, and said, "killing is never the answer".
Although, you do make a good point. the "test" required them all alive, and working together, as well. so, if that was actually argued at all, it would at least be something...
of course.. the "test" had no problem killing the unworthy..
Although, you do make a good point. the "test" required them all alive, and working together, as well. so, if that was actually argued at all, it would at least be something...
of course.. the "test" had no problem killing the unworthy..
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Mahes
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I would say the test had multiple levels too it. Yes the test could "kill" you but that was part of the test. Perseverance and the ability to control your fear were also part of the test, beyond the working together and not killing each other portions. They just were setup at different stages. The test is particularly brutal when you realize that if even one person dies(Falling), the test is failed and everyone else dies??? Nothing explains how people were even chosen.
