Justice for Zimmerman

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Mist

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Because Zimmerman DID NOT DO ANYTHING WRONG.
This is a completely dangerous line of thinking. Just because he was rightly found not guilty does not mean that it shouldn't have been investigated, it shouldn't have gone to trial or that he is innocent. Not guilty and innocent are not fucking synonyms.
 

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Just because SYG wasn't used in his defense once it went to court doesn't mean it has nothing to do with the case. The reason he wasn't initially charged immediately after the incident WAS because of SYG.
No the reason he wasn't charged is because it was obviously self defense, and they don't charge people who won't get convicted.
 

fanaskin

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How many people die from freak accidents due to a single blow to the head? I don't know if anyone is actually arguing that Martin was actually planning on beating Zimmerman to death, but that's completely irrelevant. He was beating him severely enough for him to reasonably think he was in danger of serious injury up to and including death, which justified the use of lethal force in defending himself.
^this, it's less likely but still possible, so you can't just discount it and claim "he never would have died".
 

BoldW

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The Prosecution wasn't incompetent at all. My understanding is that they brought in heavy hitters for this. They just didn't have a case, and it was still a pretty close call.
 

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This is a completely dangerous line of thinking.
No, its not. What IS a dangerous line of thinking is because there was a person shot, there must be another person punished for a crime, regardless of the facts in the case, based purely on your own biased, racist emotions.

Not guilty and innocent are not fucking synonyms
They are when you are exonerated of a murder charge due to self defense. That's literally the definition of being found innocent of a crime, because shooting someone in self defense isn't a crime. Therefore, you cannot be guilty of committing a criminal act, if no criminal act has occurred.
 

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I agree, and I'm glad Zimmerman got off due to the incompetence of the state and because of how the legal system is setup. But I think people have every right to be mad at how incompetent the state was with regards to this case. The state of Florida should have been on trial all along, not Zimmerman.
You do realize though that if the state was more competent then that would have actually have improved Z's defense? The main problem with this case is that it was exploited for financial gain and ratings from the start. People have been repeating lies over and over to the point that people start believing those lies and then tell them to other people. Many people have totally refused to actually look at the evidence and actual testimony and have convicted by facebook.

I've said it several times and I will say it again. Dispatch for now on needs to tell people as the first thing to stay in their car, house, work or whatever and not follow, pursue or get involved in any fashion. Not wait until after they follow. Problem though is if you hear someone you think is being raped, you can't do anything about it anymore. Pick your poison.
 

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No, its not. What IS a dangerous line of thinking is because there was a person shot, there must be another person punished for a crime, regardless of the facts in the case, based purely on your own biased, racist emotions.
It has nothing to do with race. You can configure this scenario in any possible combination of races, genders, etc. And it has nothing to do with punishment, it has to do with finding out what the fuck actually happened, then proceeding from there. You have a legal adult that killed a legal child. There should always be a thorough investigation. And thorough investigation shouldn't just end with a couple local cops, because in most places, local cops are fucking retards.
 

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It has nothing to do with race. You can configure this scenario in any possible combination of races, genders, etc. And it has nothing to do with punishment. You have a legal adult that killed a legal child. There should always be a thorough investigation. And thorough investigation shouldn't just end with a couple local cops, because in most places, local cops are fucking retards.
It has everything to do with race, and 17 years old is not a child, if Martin had not been shot, and instead the police had arrested him in the process of beating Zimmerman's head into concrete, Martin would have been charged and tried, as an adult, for aggravated assault if not attempted murder.

Literally nothing you're saying is relevant

Also you seem to have some weird notion that local police departments don't have access to forensic scientists or something. They do. They're employed at universities and spend the vast majority of their time assisting the state with cases for no fee.
 

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It has nothing to do with race. You can configure this scenario in any possible combination of races, genders, etc. And it has nothing to do with punishment, it has to do with finding out what the fuck actually happened, then proceeding from there. You have a legal adult that killed a legal child. There should always be a thorough investigation. And thorough investigation shouldn't just end with a couple local cops, because in most places, local cops are fucking retards.
You're right, FBI should handle all death cases from now on.

Wait, what?
 

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They went ahead and released a photo of the jury.

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No, its not. What IS a dangerous line of thinking is because there was a person shot, there must be another person punished for a crime, regardless of the facts in the case, based purely on your own biased, racist emotions.



They are when you are exonerated of a murder charge due to self defense. That's literally the definition of being found innocent of a crime, because shooting someone in self defense isn't a crime. Therefore, you cannot be guilty of committing a criminal act, if no criminal act has occurred.
There is no legal definition of 'found innocent.' It is literally not a defined term in American criminal law. You are assumed innocent, and it's up to the prosecution to prove you are guilty. If they cannot, you are found not guilty. You are not found innocent. That is not a thing.
 

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There is no legal definition of 'found innocent.'
You're innocent when you've committed no crime.

Shooting someone in self defense...isn't a crime.

He was found not guilty of committing 2nd degree murder and manslaughter due to his right to self defense. Due to the fact that no crime ever occurred for which he could be found culpable, he remains an innocent man, pure as the wind driven snow on his birth day.

What does this have to do with the case again?

Oh that's right you're mad Zimmerman is an INNOCENT MAN who defended himself because you, without explanation, think the laws in our nation are flawed because they...allowed someone to protect their own body from injury or death through lawful means.
 

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one of the few black friends i have on facebook posted this today.
Zimmerman your days are so numbered! My suggestion to you punk MF!!! Kill yourself before someone else gets to you!!!
and this
I felt the same way... Feels like we living back in slavery times... Ppl can just kill blacks for no reason and get away with it!! I'm ready to start a war over this crap!! Enough is enough wth!!!
and this
My question is what we gonna do now?? I m sick and tired of how black people lives are no valued as much as other races! Over 20 years ago I remember when my cousin was shot in the back by a white racist police officer! I was there walking with Reverend Al and his ppl hoping to bring about change and justice but after all the marching and protesting here we go yet AGAIN!! I'm so enraged with this BS already!! Yes I have faith in God and yes I know first hand what prayer can do but right now in this moment I'm disgusted and want to really HURT somebody not to say it would solve anything but ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!! What are we gonna do now?!?!!!!
not sure if i should boot her the fuck off my fb or just keep reading for the lolz
 

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He's an innocent man who's will be persecuted greatly in the short-term, and there's a good chance in the long-term as well. He's not a rich man like OJ who can just avoid the plebes.
 

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By all means, attack Dr. Vincent Di Maio. Call his character and expertise in to question. I welcome it.
Wikipedia alone states his own expertise to be in gunwounds - interesting, eh? And I'm not challenging what he stated from what people have repeated here he stated there were "6 blows to the head" he could be accurate while you're taking what he said incorrectly.

hodj_sl said:
Appeal to authority fallacy
Fun little debate terms, or more in short "WAHWAHWAH".

I have an interesting family, deal with it or fuck off - if I go through my files I can drop the exact date for the MD case I was on, and there was certainly a Kate P. working at U/M Shock Trauma for 14 years up until 2010-2011 (I may have fudged the 2 years when it was really 3, omg!). Plus with my old career (hint, MSHRM in case you've forgotten) I've been attuned to networking and getting the best person on the job for everything or at the very least the best informed opinion I have available to me at every single opportunity.

Sometimes (say in the case of my first cousin [in law], Jack Lew) they're quite hard to reach - only gotten to speak to him once to date since ascending, and only once in eight years while he was doing lesser Cabinet work - even emails are spotty about response and I personally tend to doubt they're from him when I get them so I don't mention them (They read differently than he speaks in person - so I presume they're handled by his staffers). Others like my now mostly retired (private practice for 20 hrs a week) cousin's wife mentioned above literally are in daily contact with me between Facebook and the phone.

I'm one of the most boring branches of my very interesting family tree - and again, with the nature of my work (and even similar stuff my father engendered in me young in getting the best human resources for a situation - he was teaching me that when I was in middle school and it's importance over being a PERSONAL expert - and how they can even help you when you're already an expert - although as I think back its really weird he taught me that - being in pharmaceutical chemistry with private industry and the FDA depending on the era) I network constantly.

I'm sorry you don't seem to understand the importance of networking and the fact that some people have interesting families. (And note, about 15% of my tree would be truly interesting in appropriate context - the other 85% is military of some sort, or some sort of generic business that is dull enough I really couldn't say much more than their general business type in each case)

If you want the wife and my family trees, I'll be glad to give them though, including notes on the interesting members. [Although not her deceased fathers tree - we never knew ANYONE in his not even his parents - her stepfather's family is part of the interesting ones however - a VP of Morgan Stanley is in there, a Google engineer MIT grad, three published authors (one in RPG books, others in normal publishing)] Hell, if you go back 25 generations or something like that (I spaced out when my aunt was saying how many - and not giving her a call since they always turn into 90 min calls even when I have one simple question... [she's a boring member outside of her genealogy she's done on my dad's family - only one I know stuff about long dead generations from]) supposedly my fathers side is descended from Casimir even.

Sure, most people might have boring families - statistically that's probably normal - I unfortunately can't relate being that I'm from an exceptional family and have one of the rarest genetic conditions on the planet personally. (Occulodigitaldental dysplasia - has been called ODOS and ODDS in the past as well... 1000 known cases on this rock, estimated at 3000 in the population total including undiagnosed last I spoke to my specialists [John's Hopkins Genetics - specifically Dr. Hoover-Fong as my primary although she's got tons of secondaries as well] on the matter)
 

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How many people get beaten to death with nothing but fists in the US in one year?
2011: 323 people died to rifles (including all assault rifles) and 728 people died to Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.)


I used rifles to show the relativity of our news stations, a few little white angels die and it's a gigantic appeal to tear dropping(rating boosting)emotion for the white scaredy cats yet more people die to pugilation. Television news cannot be trusted they just try to manipulate your emotions into viewing it just like every other "entertainment" program which is what tv news has become.
 

Mist

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Good joke. Everybody laugh. Roll on snare drum.

Curtains.
If Trayvon was white and Zimmerman was black, how would it have been different?

You can either say "it wouldn't have been different." Then it's not about race.

OR you can say "it would have been different." Then it is about race. And by different, then would have been guilty.

So I think you really should stick to the fact that it's not about race.
 
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