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Vaclav

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Arbitrary_sl said:
STAND YOUR GROUND IS NOT PART OF THIS MOTHERFUCKING CASE YOU MOTHERFUCKING IDIOT.
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YOU MOTHERFUCKING IDIOT WHERE DID I SAY THAT IT WAS PART OF THIS CASE?

I said it brought light to the fact that it was odd - just because something isn't relevant doesn't mean it didn't get brought up and bring it to people's attention like my own. I'm quite aware SYG wasn't relevant to this case - but because of people MENTIONING IT in relation to this case I started to read up on it.

It's like hoodie sales going up because of this - people didn't buy hoodies magically because the case compelled them to - they were inspired to in support of Trayvon or whatever else. Jesus people need to learn how to fucking read and not assume into shit.
 
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Wikipedia alone states his own expertise to be in gunwounds - interesting, eh?
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Dr. Vincent J. M. Di Maio is an American pathologist and a nationally renowned expert on the subject of gunshot wounds.[1][2] Di Maio is a board-certified anatomical, clinical and forensic pathologist, and a private forensic pathology consultant.[3] He attended St. John's University and the State University of New York (SUNY), and received postgraduate training at Duke University, SUNY, and the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner of Maryland.[4]

Di Maio is a veteran of the U.S. Army Medical Corps, and served as chief medical examiner of San Antonio, Texas until 2006, when he retired; Di Maio has more than 40 years of experience as a forensic pathologist.[4][5] He has been editor-in-chief of the Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology, and a professor of the Department of Pathology at the University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio.[4] Di Maio is a fellow of the National Association of Medical Examiners (NAME) and the American Academy of Forensic Sciences, and in 2011 he was appointed to the Texas Forensic Science Commission by Governor Rick Perry.[3][6]

Di Maio has authored or co-authored four books and numerous articles related to forensic pathology, and has won several awards for his work, including the Outstanding Service Award from the National Association of Medical Examiners.[4]
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Do you really read all that and go "lol, gun expert?"
 
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Look at that wall block of fucking butthurt from Vaclav. Tell us more about how rich and wealthy and how you're so informed by your rich wealthy, white upper class family, so you understand race issues and Zimmerman must be a white supremacist who shot a baby boy for no reason in the street. Please. I'm sure we're all so excited to hear about it.

A fallacy, by the way, means you've failed to support your conclusion with proper evidence. It means you're wrong.

And no, no one wants to know more about your family, Jack Lew, etc. What we want is you to deal with facts, and evidence, as presented, in the trial. Which you have failed to do.

Dr. Vincent Di Miao has 40 years in forensic and medical examining, has headed the most prestigious medical journal for forensics in the world, headed several educational departments on the subject, and conducted literally millions of examinations throughout his 4 decade career, and if you understood anything...ANYTHING about forensics, you'd know that qualification by the boards he's been qualified for are so rare, there's only a few hundred of these people in the world. His word overrides normal forensic scientists, due merely to that fact of his being qualified by these forensic boards, in a legal setting. So you can try to argue he isn't an expert witness all you desire but, well, you're wrong.

Very very wrong.
 
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Confirmed you didn't watch the trial. Let me educate you. That defense witness that you bring up framing things in the best light for the defense. He is so well respected that the prosecution didn't even refute his findings AT ALL. In fact the prosecution conceded that the ME of the state was INCOMPETENT.
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And? Nothing he said was inaccurate - you're taking "blows to the head" to mean one thing only - I'm reading the transcript and nothing he says translates out to "six blows to the head that could've only come from smashing Zimmerman's head into the concrete" as many of you are trying to meme.

I do see the quote of six blows to the head, I do see him stating that it LIKELY was upon concrete that those blows occurred. I see nothing that disputes that he might have been punched in the face while lying his head on the concrete where it was reciprocal damage not primary damage. (Which note, the broken nose would support - punching someone and giving them a broken nose while on concrete is going to cause damage to the back of the head quite obviously...)

And what purpose would they have for disputing him? The attack by Trayvon wasn't in dispute. And again, it's a long transcript so I'm just trying to search through it with keywords but I'm not finding anything that says "He was absolutely smashed into the concrete" like you're claiming. Perhaps you can do the legwork for me, since you should know his wording used?
 
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Speculation based on personal bias has no place in this discussion. That's the point. Mist needs to either put up some evidence, and you do as well, or you both need to shut up and stop regurgitating nonsense. I can speculate Martin came up and tried to rape Zimmerman, provoking him to shoot him, the same amount of evidence exists for that theory as does Mist's and your versions of events (read: None.)
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I didn't say such happened - clarifying his view is not the same as promoting it. A tad myopic are we?
 
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Vaclav_sl said:
And? Nothing he said was inaccurate
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Except, you know, all that stuff you said that was inaccurate, like his head was only hit on the concrete one time because his wounds were minor.

Proven false by the testimony in the trial by the top professionals in the field.

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I didn't say such happened
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That's the point. You are speculating a bunch of irrelevant horseshit that doesn't matter to the facts of the case. Talk about myopic, holy shit are you fucking dumb.

Here, Vaclav, instead of reading a fucking transcript, watch the testimony. This is part 1/5



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It's like hoodie sales going up because of this - people didn't buy hoodies magically because the case compelled them to -
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They bought fucking hoodies because they're brain washed self absorbed narcissists who think buying a hoodie will make them, by proxy, suck up some of Martin's 15 minutes of fame.

So they go out and march and cry Justice for Trayvon, asserting blatantly racist points of view, while condemning others who aren't racist for being racists and accusing them of hunting black children down in the street to murder them. Because the media has large swaths of very stupid people brainwashed in this nation. That's why they buy hoodies, and watermelon iced tea and go out there and take pictures of themselves "fighting for social justice" when most of these people, as evidenced by this case, wouldn't know justice if it came up and smacked them in the face with a pack of skittles.
 
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hodj_sl said:
Look at that wall block of fucking butthurt from Vaclav. Tell us more about how rich and wealthy and how you're so informed by your rich wealthy, white upper class family, so you understand race issues and Zimmerman must be a white supremacist who shot a baby boy for no reason in the street. Please. I'm sure we're all so excited to hear about it.

A fallacy, by the way, means you've failed to support your conclusion with proper evidence. It means you're wrong.
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It's pretty standard observation that whites in racial isolation have a higher opinion of blacks than do whites who live close to them. During Jesse Jackson's campaigns for US president in 1984 and 1988, his percentage of the white vote was highest in areas with the fewest blacks.
 
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Mist_sl said:
So I think you really should stick to the fact that it's not about race.
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It's about race because it was made about race by the media, specifically the edited 911 tape, the choice of photos used for Trayvon and Zimmerman, and the nature of the early coverage of the event that set the narrative.
 
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I'm glad I didn't know anything about this case or the trial. Sounds like some overzealous yahoo with a gun did something stupid to spark a situation, then decided he needed to use his weapon.

I'm betting if one person hadn't been carrying a gun that day nobody would have died. There should be a law to punish stupid.
 
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I'm glad I didn't know anything about this case or the trial. Sounds like some overzealous yahoo with a gun did something stupid to spark a situation, then decided he needed to use his weapon.

I'm betting if one person hadn't been carrying a gun that day nobody would have died. There should be a law to punish stupid.
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Tanoomba alt.
 
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Merrith_sl said:
I'm glad I didn't know anything about this case or the trial. Sounds like some overzealous yahoo with a gun did something stupid to spark a situation, then decided he needed to use his weapon.

I'm betting if one person hadn't been carrying a gun that day nobody would have died. There should be a law to punish stupid.
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Vaclav_sl said:
I think Mist is talking about all the UNEVIDENCED things that Zimmerman might have done to intimidate Trayvon into starting the fight. (i.e. flashing his gun during the initial "discussion") And of course the silliness of SYG is a bit more apparent now, I'd have never found out about the two drug dealers that killed an uninvolved little girl in their crossfire and were acquitted on the charges for manslaughter of the girl because they were just in defending themselves even while being attacked over illegal activity without the Traytray case for example.
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Did you eat a big bowl of retarded this morning or what. Please tell us what this case has shown about SYG. All ears.
 
Vaclav

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Do you really read all that and go "lol, gun expert?"
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Considering (oh nos, attack from hodj inc) my father was, until his retirement a national expert for one aspect of pharmaceutical chemistry and was woefully lacking in others, with two publications under his belt (one in the specialty, one not - although before his expertise was assigned). I do have doubts about any "expert" in their field outside of their actual expertise as a result. [Pharmaceutical Chemical Photostability for those that must know - generally people know of nitroglycerin being the only example, but basically all pharmaceuticals have levels of photostability issues - generally not as severe as nitro pills though (And never talk to my father on the subject and he's not lucid on his old work these days with his Parkinson's so not getting more than that out of him...)]

It's quite possible that I'm wrong to feel such but that's how my own experience has led me to feel on experts when they're on secondary matters to their expertise.

hodj: I don't know if I'd call us wealthy - top 2-3% range last I checked outside of one cousin in my own family (and in a boring career - she's in advertising), not spoken on income details with the in-laws ever though - might have some truly rich amongst them. We're comfortable and have stable investment income for anyone to be comfortable on - but we're not Scrooge McDuck'ing around.

And you keep trying to paint me as if I'm against the verdict - go back pages and pages to where I was stating opinion prejudgment and I was for acquittal only a much lesser charge - which wasn't available would make any sense. My only primary penalty I'd like to have seen for Z was something to prevent him from joining a Neighborhood Watch again, since some part of this issue - even though it was LEGAL - stemmed from him ignoring the rules that he was taught to abide. Especially being that I'm looking at a property not too far away from him (assuming he's not moved at least...), I'd hate to find out he's on my Neighborhood Watch.
 
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how about the text messages treyvon had where his gf kept asking him to stop being violent and getting into fights? and he responded he needed to to see blood drawn over his desire to stay in school, why does this not get processed somehow.
 
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It's pretty standard observation that whites in racial isolation have a higher opinion of blacks than do whites who live close to them. During Jesse Jackson's campaigns for US president in 1984 and 1988, his percentage of the white vote was highest in areas with the fewest blacks.
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It's pretty likely true - I do tend to start with an assumption of the best for most blacks intentionally to try to make up for my own discomfort in dealing with them. (Not because I dislike them, but I always feel like I'm walking on eggshells with any that I've not gotten to know well - hard to be completely comfortable when you're constantly vigilant about missaying something or whatever else)

To date, real black friends outside of the workplace in my nearly 40 years around this planet?? One.
 
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No one gives a fuck about your family. My father was an electrical engineer, doesn't mean I'm going to start rewiring my house.

Stop appealing to authority you don't have, stop asserting a bunch of irrelevant nonsense while simultaneously admitting you didn't watch the trial and don't know what you're talking about, and stop typing twelve paragraphs of horseshit in response to one line posts.

Dr Di Miao is a medical examiner. He specializes in gunshot wounds, that doesn't mean that he's not knowledgeable, extremely so, in physical wounds. He's got 88 articles in peer reviewed journals and been an editor for one of the top journals in the world. By the fact that he's been approved by the forensic boards he's been approved by, he's already demonstrably knowledgeable in the entire field of forensics. My entire undergrad career has been preparing for forensic and physical anthropological work. I actually know what it takes to get approved by these boards. Its the pinnacle of a career. You don't go higher. The filter to get in is extremely fine. One mistake in a lifetime career can derail your certification. Your attempts to assault the witness as only knowledgeable in a very slim area is refuted on its face by his life history and educational and career background.
 
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Vaclav_sl said:
Considering (oh nos, attack from hodj inc) my father was, until his retirement a national expert for one aspect of pharmaceutical chemistry and was woefully lacking in others, with two publications under his belt (one in the specialty, one not - although before his expertise was assigned). I do have doubts about any "expert" in their field outside of their actual expertise as a result.
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I find your reason for dismissing Dr. Vincent J. M. Di Maio to be absurd. Your reason is literally that your father wasn't very adept outside of his area of specialization. Your father. Your reason is your father.
 
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