Justice for Zimmerman

khalid_sl said:

I am sorry Tanoomba but that is bullshit (at least in regards to the President). If the president had said something like "There is no evidence that racial profiling was a problem in this case BUT its a problem in america" fine. That would be an accurate statement. Instead, he AGAIN implied that Zimmerman was a racist. Obama simply cannot be as uninformed about this case as so many others are. He knows that implying racism on Zimmerman's part is at best a slander that is unsupported. It is crap.

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The president's not about to say something that will make the entire population look like morons or the media look like manipulative liars. He should, but he won't. Instead, he's taking the public's outrage (misplaced as it is) and channeling it towards more productive issues such as the very real difficulties unfairly put upon some people because of their color. Really, as much as I hate many of Obama's actions, allowing discussion of race issues to be brought about because of a case that may have had nothing to do with race issues doesn't crack the top ten list of shitty things he's done.

fanaskin_sl said:

not really when you realize the circular logic you just employed, people got upset because of previous bias not because of rational thinking, you are excusing irrational behavior in a circular fashion, until we grow up as a society it will remain in this perpetual state because of race baiters that make an easy living and gain easy credibility from this attitude on non self reflection.

you are creating a feedback loop with this logic that perpetuates a cycle, so in realtiy you are being a conservative by perpetuating a system long in place probably before you where born, try being more liberal.

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Saying racism isn't a real issue because of race-baiters is like saying rape isn't a real issue because of false rape accusations. Every once in a while there will be strong undercurrents of "racism doesn't really exist except in black people's minds" in the posts I read here, and it's pretty ridiculous. I'm not excusing irrational behavior for any reason. Anger on a large scale, even anger born from ignorance, needs to be dealt with in some way. Sure, one way would be for the media to say, "Sorry, we were lying to you from the beginning, we played you for pansies and we were right assholes", but that's not going to happen because money. Obama could say "All you morons shut the fuck up until after you've watched the trial, you retards don't know dick about what you're talking about" but he won't because politics. The people are angry because of what they perceived to be racism in the system working against a black kid. As chance would have it, this is an actual issue in America! It may not be an issue in this case, but if that's what everyone's upset about then fucking fine, let's talk about racism in America. It's a discussion worth having because it's real, regardless of whether or not the Zimmerman case had anything to do with it. You're using the facts of the Zimmerman case to dismiss people's attitudes about racism altogether, which is beyond asinine.

Vaclav_sl said:

An appropriate response after repeated attempts to actively misrepresent what I'm saying - should I have just said "Hey calm down" when I kept misstating the injuries contrary to what you were trying to say because of missing the DiMaio (or however its spelt) testimony? I try to be very literal and clearcut in what I say, I edit extensively because I reread and realize it could be taken the wrong way (even in one that doesn't show edit notes - I often do multiple revisions before submitting - thrice on this post so far) - if you think I might mean something I'm not absolutely saying I don't mind being ASKED if I meant something, but flat out stating it is offensive and a prickly point for me - as it really is for almost anyone, although some people do try to use sly wording to fit in something further down the line in a conversation. I however never do.

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You're wasting your time. Hodj reads with blinders and projects when he should infer. He also loves to go off on tangents irrelevant to the point. He thinks it's cute, too.

hodj_sl said:

Herp derp pointless nonsense herpy derpy

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Thanks for clearing that up.

hodj_sl said:

Herp derp still no point herp

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Apparently you're committed to responding to anything I say, even if you have nothing relevant or intelligent to say. Does this please you?

hodj_sl said:

Herp derpery, defensive bullshit, delusional garbage, still no point derp

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Pavlov is creaming in his grave right now.

hodj_sl said:

Herp whining and bitching derp, no point made in the end

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OK, sounds like that was your last word, thank Christ.

Lleauaric_sl said:

Spoiler

This thread is good example of something Ive already known for a long time.... People dont want to talk about race, they want to bitch about it.

Example:

White Guy: Man, Im tired of these black people acting like fucking assholes, being poor asking for handouts, shitting up their own neighborhoods and commiting crimes on a massively disproportionate basis.
Reason: Why do you think that is?
*Crickets*

Black Guy: Im fucking tired of people treating me like shit, assuming im a criminal and suspicious of me, and holding me to account for something someone who looks like me did.
Reason: Why do you think that is?
*Crickets*

This shit wasnt about Trayvonn or Zimmerman, both are really imperfect vehicles for the roles each side is trying to fit them in. This shit is about people angry and having no idea how to talk to each other.

Yes, this case had little to do with race at the end. But its comical how many people have invested their racial grips into this case. Black people feeling like they are always going to be personably responsible for what others of their race do and white people not ever able to recognize them as individuals, and White people feeling they have had enough with race shit and why should they be held accountable for racist shit others have done.

All Obama did yesterday was understand that neither side is ever going to walk the full mile to the other. Black people will never see race issues the way white people see them and white people will never see them the way black people do... But a good and reasonable goal would be to get each side to walk about half a mile.

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Your logical and reasonable view of race issues has no place here. Some of these guys will fight tooth and nail for the right to be as racist as they damn well please, then they'll ironically also bitch at how racism is really all black people's fault, for being so shitty. Don't rock the boat, man.

hodj_sl said:

Unbelievably, more herp. Still no point.

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OCD much? (That's not really a question, please don't answer.)