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Tuco
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The embracing of a derogatory word and continuing the culture that makes that word fit is a bigger issue than anything anyone outside that culture is doing.
Note that in my previous statement about race I'm differentiating casual racism from racial jokes. I don't really think racial humor does much to the problem either way.
khalid
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Yep, it sure does. Unfortunately, so does religion, politicians, the media, etc. If more people listened to scientists and less to politicians and religious figures we would be in a much better place.
fanaskin
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depends on what they are saying, they aren't infallible. Especially in the soft sciences there can easily be institutional corruption and bias, what we really need is a better educated public that doesn't have to rely so heavily on others to think for them.
I can show you all kinds of Russian and Chinese scientists that helped kill millions of people, did listening to those scientists help? The great leap forward in china for example was supposed to be the scientific improvement of Chinese people by ridding them of ancient superstition and ancient customs, it ended in the death of over 10 million people.
not coincidentally political correctness was also a staple in these societies, and was used to brow beat, or physically penalize people into behaving how the state wanted them too.
everybody is still a human being and we all aren't that much different than each other in the end, we shouldn't really be holding any class of people above another.
Adebisi
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Tuco
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IT depends. If you say, "Yeah ok I'm a American Inventor, I'm going to go diversify my bonds" that's diminishing its power. If you say, "I'm a American Inventor, I'm going to get high, rob a liquor store and then leave 4 kids fatherless while I sit in jail for the next twenty years" then you're continuing the culture and legitimizing the word.
fanaskin
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would it? or would that have no meaning if ghetto blacks didn't do things like that?
that sentance doesn't always work when you substitute other slurs because those groups don't do those things.
I'm a cracka, I'm going to get high, rob a liquor store and then leave 4 kids fatherless while I sit in jail for the next twenty years"
doesn't work
I'm white trash, I'm going to get high, rob a liquor store and then leave 4 kids fatherless while I sit in jail for the next twenty years"*
does work
I'm a cholo, I'm going to get high, rob a liquor store and then leave 4 kids fatherless while I sit in jail for the next twenty years"
does work
I'm a wog, I'm going to get high, rob a liquor store and then leave 4 kids fatherless while I sit in jail for the next twenty years"
doesn't really work maybe in england it does
I'm a slant eye, I'm going to get high, rob a liquor store and then leave 4 kids fatherless while I sit in jail for the next twenty years"
doesn't work
I'm a limey, I'm going to get high, rob a liquor store and then leave 4 kids fatherless while I sit in jail for the next twenty years"
doesn't work
maybe groups just shouldn't rob liqueur stores and raise their kids? that seems to defuse the issue much better than brow beating other peoples behavoir to not see obvious things. political correctness is like pain medicine it masks the problem instead of curing it.
that sentance doesn't always work when you substitute other slurs because those groups don't do those things.
I'm a cracka, I'm going to get high, rob a liquor store and then leave 4 kids fatherless while I sit in jail for the next twenty years"
doesn't work
I'm white trash, I'm going to get high, rob a liquor store and then leave 4 kids fatherless while I sit in jail for the next twenty years"*
does work
I'm a cholo, I'm going to get high, rob a liquor store and then leave 4 kids fatherless while I sit in jail for the next twenty years"
does work
I'm a wog, I'm going to get high, rob a liquor store and then leave 4 kids fatherless while I sit in jail for the next twenty years"
doesn't really work maybe in england it does
I'm a slant eye, I'm going to get high, rob a liquor store and then leave 4 kids fatherless while I sit in jail for the next twenty years"
doesn't work
I'm a limey, I'm going to get high, rob a liquor store and then leave 4 kids fatherless while I sit in jail for the next twenty years"
doesn't work
maybe groups just shouldn't rob liqueur stores and raise their kids? that seems to defuse the issue much better than brow beating other peoples behavoir to not see obvious things. political correctness is like pain medicine it masks the problem instead of curing it.
Arbitrary
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Alright, explain to me how you see that picture of Nas and Kelis. Are they perpetuating racism and/or legitimazing the word "American Inventor?" Khalid says that the very use of racial slurs perpetuates racism. I disagree.
khalid
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Well sure, obviously the heavy crime statistics in the black community feed the stereotypes and it is a huge problem. However, that doesn't mean that casual use of racial slurs isn't a problem also. I am not making the argument that racial slurs are the only problem or even the most important problem. However, it is a problem and something we (as in intelligent non-racists) shouldn't stand for.
fanaskin
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I see it as a symptom not the disease, treat the disease instead.
I mean fuck you said it yourself " obviously the heavy crime statistics in the black community feed the stereotypes"
stop doing that and you won't get shit for it black people, brow beating white people while not criticizing black people for that is awful, harmful and the root problem with political correctness.
I mean fuck you said it yourself " obviously the heavy crime statistics in the black community feed the stereotypes"
stop doing that and you won't get shit for it black people, brow beating white people while not criticizing black people for that is awful, harmful and the root problem with political correctness.
Cad
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The only reason the stereotypes exist is because they really do act like that. If they didn't, people would say the stereotypes and everyone would be like "dude thats not how black people are at all, I know lots of black people and they are cool, you need to shut up." Instead, its like... "yea holy shit, the last time I saw a black person was on TV in an orange jumpsuit or by the side of the road with a sign, wtf... "
Sure, for a while people would hold on to the stereotypes and such, but after a while of group X (whether that be blacks or asians or mexicans, or muslims, or whatever) acting like a part of society rather than a fringe group, the stereotypes would go away.
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Well, taking a word to diminish its power would work if everyone used the word. To say only those that are the target of the word can use it doesn't empower anyone or diminish anything - the exact opposite.
The N-word, at it's very least, is in poor taste and rude, regardless of its usage. That being said, we're an internet forum of gamers so that has to be taken into account.
Tanoomba's entire premise is what I have problem with, which is why I make fun of it. He has said himself that he doesn't judge people by the way they look, only their character after interaction. I'd love to know what Utopia he lives in so I can move there and shrug off human nature. I've been randomly attacked by drunks and homeless people just walking down the street. I don't hate all homeless people, but I do cross the street now or give them a wider berth. At the very least I keep an eye on them as I pass. Same thing goes with "ghetto trash" or whatever word you want to use. It's human nature. I stay away from snarling dogs and snakes, too. I don't hate animals. How many times would Tanoomba need to get mugged in the street before he starts categorizing people based on their looks, attire, posture, location, etc., and decide it may be safer for him to not smile at those that meet the description based on past experiences and walk right up to them and instead maybe move away? Chances are also that he will find a word to use to describe those types of people. If there's one already in common usage, chances are he'll go with that one.
For Tanoomba not to understand the context of word usage, or the people that it's actually referencing, is understandable given that he's never had any interactions that would influence his view. But he can't white-knight anti-racism if he has no understanding of that part of human nature, and understand that even those that use "chimp-out" (that one's pretty bad) aren't necessarily perpetuating hate based on race alone.
The N-word, at it's very least, is in poor taste and rude, regardless of its usage. That being said, we're an internet forum of gamers so that has to be taken into account.
Tanoomba's entire premise is what I have problem with, which is why I make fun of it. He has said himself that he doesn't judge people by the way they look, only their character after interaction. I'd love to know what Utopia he lives in so I can move there and shrug off human nature. I've been randomly attacked by drunks and homeless people just walking down the street. I don't hate all homeless people, but I do cross the street now or give them a wider berth. At the very least I keep an eye on them as I pass. Same thing goes with "ghetto trash" or whatever word you want to use. It's human nature. I stay away from snarling dogs and snakes, too. I don't hate animals. How many times would Tanoomba need to get mugged in the street before he starts categorizing people based on their looks, attire, posture, location, etc., and decide it may be safer for him to not smile at those that meet the description based on past experiences and walk right up to them and instead maybe move away? Chances are also that he will find a word to use to describe those types of people. If there's one already in common usage, chances are he'll go with that one.
For Tanoomba not to understand the context of word usage, or the people that it's actually referencing, is understandable given that he's never had any interactions that would influence his view. But he can't white-knight anti-racism if he has no understanding of that part of human nature, and understand that even those that use "chimp-out" (that one's pretty bad) aren't necessarily perpetuating hate based on race alone.
Palum
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The problem is that 'minority' leaders can't get over the fact that many people actually don't care about skin color anymore. It's far more to do with shitty culture, IE thug/gang culture and they would have to take personal responsibility to clean that up. I don't care what color you are, if you dress pantyhose shy of looking like you are going to rob the place, I'm pretty sure you'll be getting looks by most of the people in a gas station convenience store.
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yeh, that's probably the way.
"She is just a American Inventor, don't worry about her." versus "Wakandan gonna Kang" has a whole different use and perspective.
also, saying racist joke perpetuates more racism is akin to saying rape jokes perpetuates more rape.
logically, you may think you are right. realistically, nope.
In connection with BoldW:
BoldW i think sums up everything nicely. I think I read somewhere that human beings are more inclined to lean towards in-group behaviour. To either to protect their group against external threat or to remove that from the competition. Racism has those underlying features. It is not to say that racism is in-group behaviour, but the phenomenon.
Racist stereotypes, for instance (bigotry based on race), goes to affect different races. Some have passive racism (unconscious behaviour towards those of different color and race), some have positive racism (asians are good at math), and some have negative racism (blacks are terrible). How those positives and negatives are weight in depends on the society's belief on righteousness and thus their morality (and hence the word, "moral police" because they police other people's behaviour based on simple words such as "American Inventor" or "goons, Faulty Armors, whatever etc.")
One could probably make an argument that negative racism (in today's context...not 1960 where racism had no usage anymore) in today's world may work to carve bad behaviours of blacks, just as it did to systematically maintain one group of race aka blacks in the slavery and thus crafting a profitable American agriculture in the South.
Ah shit...I am going off tangent here...but...my point is...racism should not be looked at as the worst thing. It should be viewed within the context of the society and it's application towards that society. And Keep in mind what BoldW said about human nature, which is that racism is a rational reaction from external threats
Racist stereotypes, for instance (bigotry based on race), goes to affect different races. Some have passive racism (unconscious behaviour towards those of different color and race), some have positive racism (asians are good at math), and some have negative racism (blacks are terrible). How those positives and negatives are weight in depends on the society's belief on righteousness and thus their morality (and hence the word, "moral police" because they police other people's behaviour based on simple words such as "American Inventor" or "goons, Faulty Armors, whatever etc.")
One could probably make an argument that negative racism (in today's context...not 1960 where racism had no usage anymore) in today's world may work to carve bad behaviours of blacks, just as it did to systematically maintain one group of race aka blacks in the slavery and thus crafting a profitable American agriculture in the South.
Ah shit...I am going off tangent here...but...my point is...racism should not be looked at as the worst thing. It should be viewed within the context of the society and it's application towards that society. And Keep in mind what BoldW said about human nature, which is that racism is a rational reaction from external threats
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Tanoomba
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Evidence thatwhatis helping black people? Not being a racist cunt? I'm not sure how many scientific studies have been done on the subject, perhaps because we have yet to find an accurate way to measure racist cuntery. Guess what wasn't racist? Your list of slurs. I'll let you figure out why.
Actually, I already described, in detail, what that "American Inventors gonna Kang" means when used in the context I've seen it used. Single incidences of words I don't like has fuck all to do with it.
Really? He just said exactly what I've been saying for hours. EXACTLY. I could not have made it more clear or any simpler. This "soapboxing" you speak of is entirely a result of me constantly refuting misinterpretations of my simple points and deflecting the endless onslaught of projected bullshit you allwishI was saying. Or is it only you that reserves the right to "defend yourself" when you feel you're being attacked? That's pretty hypocritical.
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