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Eidal, you've given me those links before, and I appreciated that. But I was looking for some good Kass plays so I don't have to keep watching those french/canadian fucks from xPeke.

And I'm buying champs that seems to be fun to play (because I've seen vids) and are good at the lane I'm interested in learning. I just bought TF and Kass because I wanted to learn Mid and they are typically the better mid-champs. Now I want to watch some really good videos of them, hence the request.

Draegan_sl said:

Eidal, you've given me those links before, and I appreciated that. But I was looking for some good Kass plays so I don't have to keep watching those french/canadian fucks from xPeke.

And I'm buying champs that seems to be fun to play (because I've seen vids) and are good at the lane I'm interested in learning. I just bought TF and Kass because I wanted to learn Mid and they are typically the better mid-champs. Now I want to watch some really good videos of them, hence the request.

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Play or watch Dominion matches. Kass is picked in every match because he's the most OP champ by far on that map. Next patch they are nerfing his abilities on Dominion it's so bad.

Why does everybody hate on Heimerdinger? They have since the game came out but he's always been a solid mage IMO.

Wizardhawk_sl said:

Why does everybody hate on Heimerdinger? They have since the game came out but he's always been a solid mage IMO.

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Because if you know how he plays he's irrelevant. He's good at defending but that's about it. He is excellent in Dominion though as he's probably the best lane pusher in game which is what bot lane is all about.

Offensive heimer is best heimer. Great harass abilities, solid burst, good kiting. Maybe that changes in the top leagues but I think it's more a case of people hopping on the bandwagon of claiming 90% of the champs are worthless and 10% are unbeatable. People been doing it since the game came out and it'll never change.

Heimer's tool kit makes him unsuitable for late game because much of his damage requires you being prepared for where the fight takes place ahead of time and LoL is too flexible to take advantage of that against a good team.

IMO Heimer is pretty good during laning phase (especially insane in ARAM) with his missile harass and turrets he's got great push potential. The only real weaknesses he has imo is with the prevalence of gap closing junglers (j4, lee sin, zac etc..) his lack of an escape gives him a fairly large weakness to exploit. Once he has burned flash from either a gank or mid w/e, he needs his turrets positioning to be pretty key and pop ult to slow incoming ganks. Which to me sounds like a lot of effort/work with the different paths a jungler can gank from. In addition, a lot of mids have excellent roam and can snowball/gank other lanes rather than just win their own (TF, Kass, Ahri, Kat and so on). So I think Heimer's roam is also very weak. But his laning phase is definitely decent I'll give him that much. But then late game team fights I feel like he also falls off, to me he seems more poke oriented and not able to really handle a hard engage team fight on the fly without some preparation (like be able to drop both turrets in key spots.

Just my 2cents, I don't actually play mid or heimer so maybe there's some misconceptions. I just think his roam, escapes, and random team fight ability can be kind of lacking. /shrug

Heimer's abilities offer no advantages you can't get from another champ (on Summoner's Rift) and really only have weaknesses compared to most mages. Yes, you can win with him, you can become a mighty Donger, but you should only bother if you REALLY have a hard on for the champ. He's nearly as pointless as pre-rework Eve was right now. He has 3 damaging abilities, 2 of which, in a team fight, will basically never hit the squishy back line (which is a mage's job typically) and the third will only hit them if they get stuck by one of your teammates. He just doesn't offer anything. Zyra is all but a straight up better version of Heimer at the moment.

Wizardhawk_sl said:

Why does everybody hate on Heimerdinger? They have since the game came out but he's always been a solid mage IMO.

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Heimer was an auto ban when there were only 4 bans. His bomb hurt towers and his turrets did full damage to them. He was so retardedly op.

He went through the nerf ringer several times and came out with hardly any of his pushing ability left.

After that, his win rate has been at or near the bottom. He is a bad champ.

I remember watching this vod awhile ago. It was pretty good Kassadin play iirc. Shitty early game, super strong end game.

WhatsAmmataU_sl said:

Heimer was an auto ban when there were only 4 bans. His bomb hurt towers and his turrets did full damage to them. He was so retardedly op.

He went through the nerf ringer several times and came out with hardly any of his pushing ability left.

After that, his win rate has been at or near the bottom. He is a bad champ.

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You forgot that his rockets will hit 3enemy heroes... he was retardedly OP. Then they just nerfed him into oblivion so Riot doesn't have to deal with him.

Sidian_sl said:

I remember watching this vod awhile ago. It was pretty good Kassadin play iirc. Shitty early game, super strong end game.

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That was against a champ that actually is a decent counter to Kassadin. Against the sizable number of the mids that Kass hard counters it's "great early game, great end game".

Legendary Udyr Skin

Frenzied Wombat_sl said:

Because if you know how he plays he's irrelevant. He's good at defending but that's about it. He is excellent in Dominion though as he's probably the best lane pusher in game which is what bot lane is all about.

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He is good but not on the default 5v5 map. In dominion he is a fine lane pusher/defender in ARAM he is deadly people not being able to heal normally makes his rockets and turrets deadly. He is pretty decent on the 3v3 map as well. While he is not super competitive on the normal 5v5 map he is still playable unless you are at high levels of ranked play. He is a fine support mage and great in a poke/lane pushing team lay out as he can gun down turrets fast. When I whip out hemier I usually grab that banner of command thing and just make him a total tower wrecking top lane or mid lane champ blow down my turret then start roaming and helping others blow their turrets. Ruining opponents ability to farm safely is a pretty potent power.

The worst part of heimer now is his slowness. His kit itself is pretty reasonable now but one big problem for heimer is ever brusier and their brother have large gap closing dashes now. It is really really hard to keep anything at range these days which makes a squishy slow mage like heimer have issues.

Goddamn, Udyr was the first champ I played in League and my first favorite champ for a long time. This skin has me so excited you have no idea.

Golt_sl said:

IMO Heimer is pretty good during laning phase (especially insane in ARAM) with his missile harass and turrets he's got great push potential. The only real weaknesses he has imo is with the prevalence of gap closing junglers (j4, lee sin, zac etc..) his lack of an escape gives him a fairly large weakness to exploit. Once he has burned flash from either a gank or mid w/e, he needs his turrets positioning to be pretty key and pop ult to slow incoming ganks. Which to me sounds like a lot of effort/work with the different paths a jungler can gank from. In addition, a lot of mids have excellent roam and can snowball/gank other lanes rather than just win their own (TF, Kass, Ahri, Kat and so on). So I think Heimer's roam is also very weak. But his laning phase is definitely decent I'll give him that much. But then late game team fights I feel like he also falls off, to me he seems more poke oriented and not able to really handle a hard engage team fight on the fly without some preparation (like be able to drop both turrets in key spots.

Just my 2cents, I don't actually play mid or heimer so maybe there's some misconceptions. I just think his roam, escapes, and random team fight ability can be kind of lacking. /shrug

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I play heimer pretty often and mot of this is right on target. One thing on heimer that I rarely do on others is run either ghost/flash or teleport/flash he really needs all the mobility he can get. His team fighting actually is not to bad you just have to make sure you build up some good magic pen so your rockets do as close to full damage as possible when they hit. You typically don't want to lead off an engagement but once the fur starts flying heimer is pretty solid but turns more to utility than damage. If you have turret charges drop a couple turrets at the edge of the engagement and then ult. The rockets now hit 5 targets and given their speed/range you can often hit their entire team with them and your grenade now moves much faster than normal. The stun/blind grenade is very effective in team fights dropping it on your tank so anything they are engaged with is either stunned or blinded which can really turn a fight in your tanks favor. Keep rocketing as possible often times your rockets come back as the team fight breaks down and stragglers with low health are running around this is where heimer shines. If you have ghost hit it and shove rockets up their rear ends and you can often get double and tripple kills.


Really his number one problem is the lack of mobility. He was a mage designed in a time where only a couple champs had dashes/leap type powers. Now that almost every melee champ can do it heimers survivability aint what it used to be.

The Dauntless One_sl said:

You forgot that his rockets will hit 3enemy heroes... he was retardedly OP. Then they just nerfed him into oblivion so Riot doesn't have to deal with him.

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His rockets still hit 3 targets and if you ult they can hit 5. His turrets still do good damage to base turrets drop two of your turrets in a minion wave at a turret and you will drop that turret fast. The main change to his previous pushing ability was his grenades no longer hurt turrets. That was really dirty before because his grenade had longer range than the turret did so he could just fling them over and over and over and rip the turret off from a safe distance. This again was at a time when almost no champs had dashes/gap closers so if somebody engaged him he could just ult his turrets to snare them and waddle away to safety.

They actually did some quality of life buffs oh heimer a ways back and he really is not in that bad of a spot power wise compared to what he was for a while.

buffylol_sl said:

Goddamn, Udyr was the first champ I played in League and my first favorite champ for a long time. This skin has me so excited you have no idea.

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That's straight BS. Udyr should just look like that all the time.