League Of Legends

enzie_sl said:

uhh.. couple CS things stand out, how is your jungler so farmed in cs versus theirs if it was such a blowout from the beginning? How is your varus that close to vayne if they were just feeding the lane? Lulu never got a kill, so those 8 deaths are really like 4-6 normal deaths (I know they changed the formula recently, I haven't memorized it yet)

I bet you weren't as far behind in total gold as you would think until your towers all fell, considering the 100cs lead your chogath has on nautilus, and that everyone else is practically the same.

I can only extrapolate so much from that, but it doesn't look like it was a straight up feed from the beginning unless some very, very odd things happened. CS levels wouldn't be that close if your bot lane just gave up first 4-5 kills, and they wouldn't have gotten kills themselves either. It seems like it was probably fairly close in the first 10 mins, but kass doesn't really start carrying till a bit after that.

Did you just roam a bunch and chogath practically took mid lane? Your lvl discrepancy compared to your team, not to mention theirs, is odd. Mid laner should rarely be behind jungler in levels, much less your ADC unless they get fed kills, which your saying the opposite happened. The whole point of sending the AP carry mid comes from wanting to get them leveled up quickly and safely to get higher ranks of skills, which is where the majority of their damage comes from.

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Sorry about the delay.

jungler is farmed for a couple reasons, he had a strong counter jungle and basically had both jungles to himself AND top died so much in the first few minutes that he stayed there and assisted the lane. Typically top would get dove as singed and die with a huge minion wave there and Cho would pick up the slack. This made his CS and level much higher than most others.

As far as the total gold goes. We would actually win fights if we played smart, thing is we weren't playing smart. Varus was getting caught farming 2 miles from any friendly visible, he would never take wards with him even when I placed wards FOR him he would still extend way past mid and die.

I fell behind in levels after a couple events, singed lost his tower early and came mid and started farming there....and for some reason even though bot was still up, lulu came too...if I ever attempted to go to another lane to farm singed would follow me or lulu would. I constantly had a revolving door of 2-3 people in my lane at a given time.

At some point, I think it was shortly after mid fell, I really just stopped caring. The game was a clear loss, varus would get caught doing the most dumb things, Lulu wopuld blow her ult on non-engages, Singed...was useless as hell, cho was TRYING but with the difference in ADC's he melted in team fights and sometimes he got caught too.

recap:



Constant stream of verbal abuse from mid lane for me picking teemo against a nasus. Was I doing poorly? Nope. I did well til about the 10 minute marker when it was 2 to 11. At that point I got tired of the MASSIVE abuse from everyone on my team for NO OTHER REASON than me picking teemo.

I was keeping up in CS (ahead of nasus, blinding as he tried to CS)
I was safe (wards and shrooms everywhere)
I had 0 deaths and 1 assist.

This game is honestly nightmarish.

The people are so god damn toxic it makes playing, EVEN A WIN, a hellish event.

to the mute all comments. Ya I do that in games where it is winable.

That game was a loss.

Mid was typing books into all chat and their lane was all over the map.

Bot died to Fizz ganks about 4 times, I died once after the lanes we all gone to our base turrets. Ezereal and Eve were just decimating their lanes.

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Honestly my head is hurting after that last game. 6 games of straight losses.

fuck I don't even have a solution to these losses.

Like yes, I could have roamed the entire game as a mid laner.
I could have roamed all game as a top laner.
I could have supported a teemo ADC better.

At what point does it shift from a "you could do better" to a "there is nothing you can do"?

I've had people that REFUSE to back at 20% health at level 1 against trist.
I've had people that Feed top, feed bot and then yell at me in mid for not jumping into a 2v5 brawl in an unwarded jungle.
I've had people REFUSE to ward with 5 wards sitting in their bags.

Is there a point where I just should AFK in a match and save myself the stress? I mean I hate to sound like a prima donna when I say stuff but, games for me are an "Always On" experience. Every match is a draining experience and devoting my entire being to watching every failure of myself and then my team during a loss is just painful.

Got my stream up:http://www.twitch.tv/mfplayer
Just lost game as Nunu jungle, got my team 2 barons, first and 2nd blood, but meh! Playing Udyr jungle now. No webcam or mic. Just shitty music

Gavinrad_sl said:

Stick to heroes where you can more easily affect the game by yourself. Teemo is not one of those heroes.

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I guess so.

I think the "troll" factor is too strong with him too, people think that because I am teemo, I am trolling. So, in turn, they do VERY VERY bad.

Arbitrary_sl said:

If you are letting yourself get wrapped up in all that bullshit than the game is beating you. League of Legends has actively tried to beat me unlike any game I've ever played. It's had some victories against me.

Focus on having a good time.

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To me ignoring the people isn't the hard part, the hard part is the:

*First blood!*
*An ally has died*
*An ally has died*
*Double Kill*
**
*An enemy has been slain*
*An ally has died*
*An ally has died*
*Double Kill*
*An enemy is unstoppable*
**
*An ally has died*
*An ally has died*
*Double Kill*
*An ally has died*
*tripple kill*
*An Enemy Has been Slain*
*Shut Down*
**
*An ally has died*
*An ally has died*
*Double Kill*
*An ally has died*
*Tripple Kill*
*An ally has died*
*Quadra Kill*
**
*An ally has died*
*An ally has died*
*Double Kill*
*An enemy has been Slain*
*Shut Down*
*An enemy has been slain*
*An ally has died*
*An ally has died*
*Double Kill*
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The above is 15 deaths and 3 kills. there were 8 kills and 26 deaths in the game I last posted.

It wears on you.

Gilgamel_sl said:

Alright those of you who do not suck, enlighten me. I jungle, and the laning phase typically goes well. I'm pretty good at map awareness, I ward, and I countergank pretty well. Problem areas are counterjungling(where do people find the time?) and team fighting. I play Cho and Zac pretty much exclusively. What I have a hard time with is when it gets to team fighting. As Zac I try to initiate but it's so fucking hard to know when the carries are poking and when they are actively engaging. So to counter this I starting playing more passively, looking to protect our carries. Unfortunately this feels bad because it leaves almost no pressure on their back line. I've tried to find some good guides on team fighting but they all seem to require so much more information/coordination that solo queue games provide. I don't know what the shit my teammates are going to do at any time, so I don't know how to support that.

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There is no exact science to it, you'll get a "feel" for it if you keep doing it. With regard to counterjungling, well Cho Gath is probably not a jungler I'd counterjungle with very often, he's a bit slow and doesn't have very good escapes. Zac is an excellent counterjungler because you can take unconvential ways into enemy jungle that bypasses wards (jump over baron/dragon walls for example).

I had a perfect Udyr Jungle start last night, I created a highlight (read the chat between myself & shen for insight into the future):http://www.twitch.tv/mfplayer/c/2660728

I haven't been recording my games recently because I had some issues with computer crashing from it but decided to try again. Had 0 frames dropped and went pretty smooth. Anyway, was a shitty night, got demoted once more, now in Gold III. The highlight above was one of my best starts and we lost that game. I won 3 and lost 5 last night. I played a pretty decent Nunu jungle game before this Udyr game where I got my team 2 Barons and we still lose. Just UGH.

Anyway, its not worth watching any of the full games, they were losses, but here's the full vid anyway in case anyone is interested:http://www.twitch.tv/mfplayer/b/437859390Starts with the Nunu jungle game then the Udyr jungle game is @ 50:10

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Dissecting the Udyr highlight above and my thought process and why I lost:

So as jungler I look at what the enemy jungler picks and try to figure out if they are going to want to counterjungle me. Zac is 50/50 on counterjungling, its hard to tell, but I figure he might be an aggressive jungler since most Zacs are. When I'm against an aggressive jungler I like to start red buff, this way I waste their time as they'll come to find no red and it actually allows me to steal theirs. So I do my red start but for some reason Shen was adamant I start Blue and gank top right away.

If the enemy jungler is more passive, like a Sejuani or something, I'll just do the standard Blue start then go their red or my red then gank depending how I feel about the lanes and risks. You'll notice I never touched a jungle camp until I was already level 5. I don't always play this way, but imo if you have red buff you should be ganking, otherwise you are just wasting it. If I'm passive I'll go Blue-->My Red without clearing any other camps first because I want to secure the buff asap. Don't let the enemy jungler get your shit!

Anyway, everything goes perfect, I pick up red & blue and my support was nice enough to ward their red which rarely happens, but was definitely helpful. I would have gone to his red anyway and discovered him being there but the ward allowed me to know he was there for sure and I went all-in right away. So what happened was that I definitely overestimated this Zac. He was probably a 1st time Zac or something because he actually played super passive and did his wolves/wraiths after Blue. Not too smart when facing an Udyr since Udyr is renown for counterjungling. I could have easily did my blue and taken his red before he even finished wraiths. So I get both of my buffs and easily get to his while he's doing it. Luckily their mid & bot lanes didn't react fast enough and having my own red buff helped tremendously when it came to killing Zac blobs as I only had to AA each one once. If I didn't start my own Red he would have respawned or TF would have got me or both as it would have taken 2x longer to kill him.

Since Shen was crying I decide to bypass bot lane and make my way top. First I make TF burn his flash, normally that's good, then I camp top lane and make Panth flash and eventually get Shen a kill on him... Then I end the video with my Cait dying to TF gank and the whole game goes downhill from there.

Basically I fucked up. I didn't realize my shen actually sucked ass, plus Shen in general can't really carry. He cried all game about needing to shut down Panth when Shen outright counters Panth on his own. I should have known. I fucked up by not feeding mid or bot (actual carries). I realized too late. I was too busy trying to appease the crybaby and it backfired. As a jungler you want to feed the champions that will make the largest impact in the game and I fucked up. Probably should have won the game if I just camped bot/mid. As our Nexus was dying Shen went as far to say I was at fault for the loss because I didn't gank Panth quickly enough. I wish I knew how bad he was earlier, the 1st conversation I had with him (in the highlight) should have tipped me off. Oh well!

I got my revenge by having 2 fantastic Udyr games to end the night so I feel better now. I wasn't streaming them unfortunately. My last game I made a Shyvana AFK because she got fucked so hard in the jungle. I started red again.