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Hate to do this Fawe, cause that sucks... but! See you can win 4v5!
Oh, I agree, I've carried some 4v5s before myself. I remember 1 in particular that was pretty fun, I believe I was Silver I at the time. I was playing MF and we had an AFK jungler since the very beginning (never loaded into game). My team was all giving up and shit but I managed to roam at the right times and got kills in mid & top and got really fed.. my team started to believe we could win, we pushed, aced the enemy, and won
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zombiewizardhawk

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Trolling at this point.
How is that trolling? Do you even read what I post or just respond like that to everything? Are you trying to say it's harder to win a 4v5 where someone is gone from the get go than it is to win a 4v5 when it's due to someone losing bad and rage quitting? Are you implying team comps have no effect on 4v5 matchups?
 
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@Wizardhawk

No. I'm just tired of you trying to refute everything anyone says in regards to your poor play or the number of afkers/feeders/trolls that exist on a per game basis in league. Up until this point I've refrained from calling you a troll and just thought you were misguided and bad so I did try and give you helpful information like manamune vs seraphs on Ryze. But when you're getting that nit picky and contrary just for the sake of it then it becomes obvious.

Just have to look at it like this Wizardhawk. If 90% of this thread is telling you you're wrong about elo hell and this game and even the people with a pretty jaded view like Guardian are prefacing their rants with "I don't want to sound like WH", then its a pretty good indication that what you are actively doing and thinking in regards to this game are wrong. Most of the people in this thread trying to tell you what to do or that you may need to rethink you're positions are gold or plat and a great many of us were in bronze at some point. This season or last. So we've been there, done that and by the only metric useful in measuring prowess in this game are better then you. When people that are better or more knowledgeable about a subject then me talk, I tend to pay attention to what they say and try to apply it. I don't stick my fingers in my ears and argue the minutiae of the subject with them.
 

zombiewizardhawk

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Oh, so you really didn't read my post then? What did you do? Did you see my avatar, click reply with quote as fast as possible as you foamed at the mouth with anticipation at being able to call me a troll again and then mash the post button with glee?

So guardian x and the other people who mention all the same problems as me try to phrase their posts more elegantly. They're still mentioning all the same things I mention and I really don't give 2 shits if they're more popular than me.

Where was I trolling in the manamune vs seraphs conversation?

By the way, if you ever wanted to have a little scrimmage i'd be happy to participate. You keep insisting i'm complete garbage and the worst player in league so you should own me pretty handily, no?
 
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Oh, so you really didn't read my post then? What did you do? Did you see my avatar, click reply with quote as fast as possible as you foamed at the mouth with anticipation at being able to call me a troll again and then mash the post button with glee?

So guardian x and the other people who mention all the same problems as me try to phrase their posts more elegantly. They're still mentioning all the same things I mention and I really don't give 2 shits if they're more popular than me.

Where was I trolling in the manamune vs seraphs conversation?

By the way, if you ever wanted to have a little scrimmage i'd be happy to participate. You keep insisting i'm complete garbage and the worst player in league so you should own me pretty handily, no?
1.) I've only called you a troll once. So I don't know where you get this "call me a troll again".

2.) Its you, Guardian, and now Gilg that complain about other people/elo hell/whatever pretty much exclusively. Others may bitch about a specific person they run in to once in a while, or empathize with a certain situation. But that isn't the entire content of their posting in this thread like it is with you three for the most part.

3.) I never said you were trolling in that conversation about item choice. I used that as an example of me not treating you like a troll and trying to help you understand something. For someone who talks about reading post you need to take a close look at what you are responding to as well.

4.) If you want to go all play ground bully and call me out, sure I don't mind doing a scrim or two against you when I have the time. It wont prove anything either way though.
 

GuardianX

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Because I literally don't have the people in my games that you have in yours. Like I said to Wizardhawk, I guess we're playing a different game.
Honestly think about it, you said it yourself, Gold is made up of the top 6%~ of league players of a region. Your chance of getting people like in lower tiers is MUCH less than our chance.

Think of every mouthbreather in WoW, every guy that trolls trade, people that intentionally wipe raids - Stand in AE's - "LOL I'ma tank healer!". They are ALL in silver and bronze.

Your chance of getting into a winning team is about 50%.

Your chance at getting into a team in bronze and silver without SOME issue, I don't even know the percentage.

All I know is from experience that even when I'm winning a game sometimes shit hits the fan either in a drama sense or a "time to throw" sense.

Take a couple games ago, we were up 10 to 5 and then ryze starts in on our ez who was playing a tad passive. He wasn't feeding or talking shit, he was a meek personality and basically Ryze pushed him over the edge. I had to talk the guy from AFKing. This was a WINNING game and I had to talk a guy away from the edge!

We ended up winning but my statement from before about these types of games stands. It isn't a "Fun" win, it's a "holy fuck we won.." win.
 
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See thats the thing though. I've only been gold for a week and a half or two weeks. I was pretty much the silver one gate keeper for like 3 months. Literally I spent three months in silver one having a shitty attitude and blaming my inability to get in to gold on other people. As soon as I said fuck it, I'm the problem. I need to keep my mouth shut, play my game and actually learn from my mistakes I started climbing. So what changed? Keep in mind I started with this new attitude a month ago. So two weeks to go from silver 1 0 lp (literally) to gold five and now I'm in my promo to gold 2 two weeks after that. I took a bit of a break and haven't kept up the game spam like I had previously. Now I fully expect to be stuck in gold 1 for a while once I reach it, because the opponents always take a skill jump in division 1 of a tier. But I'm cool with that because I think I've figured out the way to keep advancing. Focus on yourself, be positive or barring that say nothing at all, and really focus on your mistakes so that you truly understand them and can stop from repeating them. After getting those things down its just a matter of acclimating to the average skill level of your opponents and improving on your mechanics through repetition.
 

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League was kind to me earlier and allowed me to play a randomly matchmade game with Vimeseh on my team. It was fun.
 

GuardianX

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A good example of "Feeding" in silver.

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There is nothing that counters this. it was a complete loss from the ground up.

Ya I built magic pen, honestly i was thinking "Duration" but shortly after committing to it I knew duration would be pointless as it was a clear clear loss.
 

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uhh.. couple CS things stand out, how is your jungler so farmed in cs versus theirs if it was such a blowout from the beginning? How is your varus that close to vayne if they were just feeding the lane? Lulu never got a kill, so those 8 deaths are really like 4-6 normal deaths (I know they changed the formula recently, I haven't memorized it yet)

I bet you weren't as far behind in total gold as you would think until your towers all fell, considering the 100cs lead your chogath has on nautilus, and that everyone else is practically the same.

I can only extrapolate so much from that, but it doesn't look like it was a straight up feed from the beginning unless some very, very odd things happened. CS levels wouldn't be that close if your bot lane just gave up first 4-5 kills, and they wouldn't have gotten kills themselves either. It seems like it was probably fairly close in the first 10 mins, but kass doesn't really start carrying till a bit after that.

Did you just roam a bunch and chogath practically took mid lane? Your lvl discrepancy compared to your team, not to mention theirs, is odd. Mid laner should rarely be behind jungler in levels, much less your ADC unless they get fed kills, which your saying the opposite happened. The whole point of sending the AP carry mid comes from wanting to get them leveled up quickly and safely to get higher ranks of skills, which is where the majority of their damage comes from.
 

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Now I fully expect to be stuck in gold 1 for a while once I reach it, because the opponents always take a skill jump in division 1 of a tier.
When I got to Gold V somehow I managed to get to Gold I within a week and a half. I was getting promoted like every 1.5 days. Reached a peak of being 41 games above .500. (I tend to look at how many games over .500 I am more then what my division is to see where I stand). When I was Silver1 I was typically 10-15 games over .500.

Anyway, I had a nice streak, but been stuck in Gold I for a while now, even got demoted to Gold II twice (sitting in Gold II atm actually, was demoted 2 days ago, and am at 30 games above .500 atm). The more I play with gold players the more I see there are still bad players & trolls. You still have games like Guardian's post above where you lose 5-25 and everyone has 5+ deaths. You can still lose 5v4s, you still have ragers and drama.

What you notice is that players mechanics are slightly better, teamwork is slightly better, however, there are still the afk farmers with 0 map awareness who never want to be with the team. It's different but also the same as with lower Elo.. It's like... Bronze/Silver you will see just bad mechanics dominating most bad play, in Gold you see mechanics are sufficient but now it's the really bad outplays... And its on both sides, I have won a lot of games in Gold by our team just outplaying the fuck out of the opponent.



Your lvl discrepancy compared to your team, not to mention theirs, is odd. Mid laner should rarely be behind jungler in levels, much less your ADC unless they get fed kills, which your saying the opposite happened.
Both mid and top laner are lower level then the jungler & adc.. lol... I don't think I've ever seen that before.

The other team just has a better team comp especially for late game. Vayne & Ryze are dominate late game threats, CC from Sona/Naut will be devastating and Jayce is still OP.

Guardian's team has little CC and not as strong late game. Kassadin is great for late game, Singed is more of a disrupter and needs to get farmed to make any sort of impact. The fact he was shut down during lane phase means he became a non-threat. Varus, normally a very good adc, built attack speed instead of damage.

Guardian's score is good but he probably sat outside the fights (like a Kass should do) and only popped in to clean up kills. Cho Gath has the highest kill participation (8) and imo was the MVP for the team. Singed, Varus and Lulu are dead weight against that other team. Too much CC+Dmg and these 3 players either got shut down or built badly to compete.
 

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I had my first good Jungle game last night where a light bulb went off and things became easier. It's the little things like lane awareness, map distances etc.

Reference point: I'm level 20 with ~90-100 wins in normals.

I lost my first few games yesterday because my teams were bad, top/bot would lose lanes constantly. Help bot lane push past river, run to buffs, help mid and bot is already losing again and by 12 min has like 3 deaths on sup/adc and their farm is bad. Oh well. Not much you can do there.

Then I finally got into a good game where my top/bot were average players for this skill level and I had a really good Lux that knew when to roam, when to initiate and had awareness of my positioning as a jungle allowing me to gank mid twice. Pushed lane when she needed to etc.

I went 4-0 in the first 6 minutes and GG'd at 25 where I was 6/0/1.

I've played almost every role so far except ADC. I love top/jungle now and really really enjoy playing Elise and Zac.

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As far as my losses yesterday, I'm not sure what I could of done better. Had a few terrible games where I was 7/10/7 and 5/101 but most of those deaths were games where we should of surrendered at 20/25 and I had better than even KDA but the team wanted to keep playing for whatever dumb reason and I racked up like 5 deaths just initiating like crazy and not caring.

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That's another complaint I have. Why can't fucking teams surrender when you're down 10-15 kills at 18-20 minutes and you already lost all of your outer towers and you've taken none? Not only that, but we lose every team fight. Just give up! I can't wait until I'm 30.
 

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That's another complaint I have. Why can't fucking teams surrender when you're down 10-15 kills at 18-20 minutes and you already lost all of your outer towers and you've taken none? Not only that, but we lose every team fight. Just give up! I can't wait until I'm 30.
Meh, same shit happens at 30 especially in ranked games. I don't surrender that often myself, I've seen too many comebacks. I did surrender 1 game yesterday that seemed to be a guaranteed loss but also had 2 games my team won where we were behind by a lot early on.

The 1 comeback yesterday I was playing Tryndamere and gotta admit, I was feeding big time. My team was 4-20 at like 15mins, I think I was like 0-6-1 or some shit. I was against an Akali who got a lot of help from their jungler (udyr) which managed to get her steamrolled, I couldn't do anything early on. However, we eventually get a team fight mid lane and Akali gets melted, the enemy team gets caught and we Ace them with only 1 death, immediately it's now 9-21 and we take both mid turrets. Couple more team fights and barons later and we win the game. That's kinda the same shit that happens when I play as Akali, get really fed during lane phase, but if you don't end it soon you can't really carry team fights.

Also had a game after that where I was jungle Zac and my team wasn't doing so hot, enemy Katarina was roaming and getting a lot of kills but same deal with Kat, I interrupt her ult and she gets melted, we came back and won. We weren't down as far but still probably 7-8 kill deficit within first 15mins.

Surrendering is all about knowing your team comp and if you can outscale the enemy imo. We had a surrender vote in that 1st game, of course, but only like 2 people voted yes, I voted no. We had the better late game with Tryn/Mordekaiser/Zac/Graves. They had Kass/Akali/Ez/Udyr. Akali/Ez/Udyr all fall off late game whereas only Kass gets really dangerous. Akali had most of the kills and can't carry. Just needed a few key team fights and gg.

In general I hate surrendering.
 

Draegan_sl

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should have. SHOULD HAVE! SHOULD FUCKING HAVE!!!
Grammer nazi me again and I'll RRP you so fast your head will spin. I should of done it months ago.

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Yeah I know same shit happens at 30 because I play most of the time with 30s. But meh. I just need a place to bitch.