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Incoming introspective post about how to proceed into Season 4. Ignore this if you don't give a fuck about me, it's a block of text.
For the vast majority of season 3 that I was playing the game, I was in the leveling process which was about 4-5 months which was crazy. During that time I played every role except ADC with any regularity. I feel I have an extremely good grasp of the game for someone with the amount of games played/won. I may not have the mechanical skills of a 20-something year old, but I have a good feeling of game flow, what I should be doing at any given time and decent map awareness. Again, this is all in context of what my experience level is.
Currently, I'm all over the place when it comes to playing roles. Some days I'm top, then others I'm mid or jungle or support. I mean, who doesn't like drinking a lot of beer and stomping with AP Sion? Anyway, the only Ranked I played this season was my placement and a few games after that which I soon stopped playing because I did not enjoy the end of the season toxicity of S1 into G5.
That beings said, with Season 4 here, I need to really begin to prioritize which roles I play and stick with them. I really don't have a main right now. Sure, there is a certain set of champs that I play, but I feel like I don't get enough screen time with them to go from proficient to skilled with them. This is mostly due to my lack of personal gaming time. So I need to set some discipline for myself. This means in both ranked and normals I need to play the same role with a rotation of champs every single time I play. I would really like to attempt to get into high gold this season, and I think I can do it.
I have been thinking, and I believe I can have the most impact and most control over a game by playing the Jungle. I also enjoy the chess match that the position carries. I'm just beginning to feel comfortable and confident in my abilities to counter jungle or invade their buff at the start of games.
So I need to pick a rotation of junglers to go into season 4 with and prepare for the changes that are coming that might open the role to additional champs. Right now I think I'm going to go into Season 4 with Volibear, Vi, Nasus and Shyvanna. This affords me the opportunity to also use any of these champs top as well in case I don't get jungle. I think I'll have narrow these down a bit because I also would like to practice champs like Udyr and J4 some more.
I really enjoy playing mid a lot, but that is one of the most popular positions and I don't think I can always guarantee that I get it.
So two questions for everyone that managed to read through all this crap:
1) Do you stick to one lane in ranked for the most part, how did you choose it, and how often do you get it while playing ranked games?
2) For the junglers out there, do you think there will be a new set of champs that can now jungle that couldn't before? Junglers will be able to farm their ass off now so that may open the position to champs that need a lot of farm to become viable. For an extreme-example, a super farmed AD Sion is a beast in lower elos. Not that his kit is really great for jungling, but will super farm champs make an appearance you think?
Currently, I'm all over the place when it comes to playing roles. Some days I'm top, then others I'm mid or jungle or support. I mean, who doesn't like drinking a lot of beer and stomping with AP Sion? Anyway, the only Ranked I played this season was my placement and a few games after that which I soon stopped playing because I did not enjoy the end of the season toxicity of S1 into G5.
That beings said, with Season 4 here, I need to really begin to prioritize which roles I play and stick with them. I really don't have a main right now. Sure, there is a certain set of champs that I play, but I feel like I don't get enough screen time with them to go from proficient to skilled with them. This is mostly due to my lack of personal gaming time. So I need to set some discipline for myself. This means in both ranked and normals I need to play the same role with a rotation of champs every single time I play. I would really like to attempt to get into high gold this season, and I think I can do it.
I have been thinking, and I believe I can have the most impact and most control over a game by playing the Jungle. I also enjoy the chess match that the position carries. I'm just beginning to feel comfortable and confident in my abilities to counter jungle or invade their buff at the start of games.
So I need to pick a rotation of junglers to go into season 4 with and prepare for the changes that are coming that might open the role to additional champs. Right now I think I'm going to go into Season 4 with Volibear, Vi, Nasus and Shyvanna. This affords me the opportunity to also use any of these champs top as well in case I don't get jungle. I think I'll have narrow these down a bit because I also would like to practice champs like Udyr and J4 some more.
I really enjoy playing mid a lot, but that is one of the most popular positions and I don't think I can always guarantee that I get it.
So two questions for everyone that managed to read through all this crap:
1) Do you stick to one lane in ranked for the most part, how did you choose it, and how often do you get it while playing ranked games?
2) For the junglers out there, do you think there will be a new set of champs that can now jungle that couldn't before? Junglers will be able to farm their ass off now so that may open the position to champs that need a lot of farm to become viable. For an extreme-example, a super farmed AD Sion is a beast in lower elos. Not that his kit is really great for jungling, but will super farm champs make an appearance you think?
zombiewizardhawk
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I do not recommend only being able to play 1 lane in ranked. In 5v5 teams it might be nice but in solo queue you NEED to be able to play any lane/role because you can and do fall everywhere in the pick order. Obviously everyone has roles they are best at but when you're 5th pick and have to support are you going to do it or join the toxic team?
I always have fun on Dom. Though fuck that dude from last night. "gotta quad q to get to my elo" whatever. His mechanics were garbage on all his champs, he just played gimmick and god tier ones.
Jungling or soloing is the best way to carry out of lower mmr. Jungle --- > Mid ----> Top ---- Duo lane is probably the order of game impact. Jungle can be everywhere and secure objectives. Mid can roam the whole map without losing a ton of cs. Top can help jungle on their side of the map or help with mid. Duo is kind of stuck in their lane or they lose tons of farm, a tower, or their partner dies when they leave.
edit: Farm heavy jungles are already popular and powerful. I play a lot of phoenix Udyr and Shyv. It isn't uncommon in a 30-35 minute game for me to be pulling down 200+ cs as the jungle. So I can see the farming jungle being viable in S4. However they still need to be decent jungle champs, and guys like AD sion don't really fit the bill.
edit: Farm heavy jungles are already popular and powerful. I play a lot of phoenix Udyr and Shyv. It isn't uncommon in a 30-35 minute game for me to be pulling down 200+ cs as the jungle. So I can see the farming jungle being viable in S4. However they still need to be decent jungle champs, and guys like AD sion don't really fit the bill.
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I got to Gold I with Top/Jungle using basically 3-4 champions max. Nunu/Udyr/Tryndamere were my primary champs. You need to play what is comfortable and suits your style, also what can have the largest impact on the game. My win rate with Udyr is actually pathetic, Im trying to play him less. Nunu worked for me but is considered weak by many others. I like how much of an affect a sub-20min baron can have on the game. Tryndamere is always relevant even if you go 0-8 in lane.
I am starting to play Nasus in this "downtime" because he is just really strong. I had 2 good games with him yesterday (first time playing him in a very long time) unfortunately I still lost my games which means I made some mistakes and couldnt carry hard enough, oh well, going to learn and try and eliminate those issues. I like that nasus can top & jungle, just like udyr, except udyr falls off dramatically late game whereas nasus only gets stronger.
I am starting to play Nasus in this "downtime" because he is just really strong. I had 2 good games with him yesterday (first time playing him in a very long time) unfortunately I still lost my games which means I made some mistakes and couldnt carry hard enough, oh well, going to learn and try and eliminate those issues. I like that nasus can top & jungle, just like udyr, except udyr falls off dramatically late game whereas nasus only gets stronger.
Edit: was responding to CV
You're just repeating the basic knowledge there.
I was attempting to create a discussion point on the whys, whats and how people came to pick the lane/role they favor the most and how often the get to play it in soloQ because I find the evolution of people's thought processes and play patterns interesting.
Regarding Farm Junglers, I know they are very popular already. Champs like Nasus and Udyr are prime examples of this. Again very basic knowledge. I'm sure you're very much aware of the changes coming for Season 4 where Junglers are not only getting an extra camp, they are gaining extra income based on new items. This should increase the roster of junglers who may be successful now because of the extra income and experience. I used the example of AD Sion, only because he's a champ that sucks early and mid game and if you somehow manage to survive a 40+ min game, does he finally become viable. Like I mentioned he isn't good in the jungle, but the idea of some champs that need a ton of farm just to get started opens up the doors for a larger array of junglers that might not necessary have the kit for early ganks like an Elise, Vi or J4.
So I was hoping to begin a conversation on what champs we might slowly begin to see in the Jungle that we don't see now based on increased experience and gold coming out of the Jungle.
You're just repeating the basic knowledge there.
I was attempting to create a discussion point on the whys, whats and how people came to pick the lane/role they favor the most and how often the get to play it in soloQ because I find the evolution of people's thought processes and play patterns interesting.
Regarding Farm Junglers, I know they are very popular already. Champs like Nasus and Udyr are prime examples of this. Again very basic knowledge. I'm sure you're very much aware of the changes coming for Season 4 where Junglers are not only getting an extra camp, they are gaining extra income based on new items. This should increase the roster of junglers who may be successful now because of the extra income and experience. I used the example of AD Sion, only because he's a champ that sucks early and mid game and if you somehow manage to survive a 40+ min game, does he finally become viable. Like I mentioned he isn't good in the jungle, but the idea of some champs that need a ton of farm just to get started opens up the doors for a larger array of junglers that might not necessary have the kit for early ganks like an Elise, Vi or J4.
So I was hoping to begin a conversation on what champs we might slowly begin to see in the Jungle that we don't see now based on increased experience and gold coming out of the Jungle.
I'm hit or miss with Nasus. Sometimes I can get rolling and assist objectives and kills an half-carry a game. Other times I feel like I'm too slow and I either fucked up a gank, or wasted time trying to gank and I don't feed myself fast enough to effect the mid/late game. Nasus, for me, is one of those champs I need a lot more practice on to get his tempo and flow down better. I'm probably too aggressive with him early on in the game when I should be farming more and ganking only when it looks like a sure thing.
I need more time on Udyr, but I really love his kit.
Okay then
1.) I play Jungle and Solo lanes because I like to carry and I hate bot lane play. Its boring, passive, and being dependent on another person just to survive your lane sucks. I get one of those three roles in about 80% of my games.
2.) No we won't see any surge in weird historically non viable champs jungling because like I said with Sion they still have to be able to perform the basic function of a jungler. Most likely the changes will just strengthen the current popular jungles because they have the option to either gank or farm out now as the game flows. But it isn't going to turn graves or heimer in to a consistently good jungle champ. The changes are just going to make the current dominant jungles stronger and allow some of the older viable but not currently prime jungle champs to see some play.
edit: As a jungle player for the last three seasons basically it is getting tiring that every single season the jungle gets a complete overhaul. Only other position I feel has to deal with as much bullshit is people who play support primarily.
1.) I play Jungle and Solo lanes because I like to carry and I hate bot lane play. Its boring, passive, and being dependent on another person just to survive your lane sucks. I get one of those three roles in about 80% of my games.
2.) No we won't see any surge in weird historically non viable champs jungling because like I said with Sion they still have to be able to perform the basic function of a jungler. Most likely the changes will just strengthen the current popular jungles because they have the option to either gank or farm out now as the game flows. But it isn't going to turn graves or heimer in to a consistently good jungle champ. The changes are just going to make the current dominant jungles stronger and allow some of the older viable but not currently prime jungle champs to see some play.
edit: As a jungle player for the last three seasons basically it is getting tiring that every single season the jungle gets a complete overhaul. Only other position I feel has to deal with as much bullshit is people who play support primarily.
Amzin
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For jungle Nasus, Meteos is the go-to master of that as far as I can tell. It's not even about sure ganks, it's about pressure. Meteos rarely sits in a bush waiting for the opportune time, if he walks to a lane he goes into the lane and pushes buttons until the enemy is dead or they take a tower or gain something at least. Nasus is pretty much captain objectives which is a different style than most people in pubs expect from their jungler, they expect gank -> kill, not show up -> push tower -> push tower -> push the fucking tower, so it can be hard to get the most out of him with randoms. Having a duo partner in any of the lanes can help him out a lot actually (especially mid or bot because then you can pressure dragon early too).
I've always enjoyed Nasus top, even before his buffs, but I never really jungle with him, this is just what I get from seeing him constantly in pro matches. For jungle, my go-to is Trundle. For season 4, I actually expect to see a lot of the same junglers just getting more impactful mid-to-late-game now, with maybe some forgotten ones getting thrown in here and there (Naut, Sej, Amumu). Carry junglers will surely be way more common in most of our games, but I don't expect to see them in pro games still. We might see fewer junglers with crap-scaling if the junglers actually do get comparable gold now (Lee sin comes to mind, can't think who else).
I've always enjoyed Nasus top, even before his buffs, but I never really jungle with him, this is just what I get from seeing him constantly in pro matches. For jungle, my go-to is Trundle. For season 4, I actually expect to see a lot of the same junglers just getting more impactful mid-to-late-game now, with maybe some forgotten ones getting thrown in here and there (Naut, Sej, Amumu). Carry junglers will surely be way more common in most of our games, but I don't expect to see them in pro games still. We might see fewer junglers with crap-scaling if the junglers actually do get comparable gold now (Lee sin comes to mind, can't think who else).
Sidian
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Honestly if you're main goal is just to gain ELO then sure, pick 2 or 3 champions and only play them. But I don't think there is anything wrong with playing any role in the game because either way you're mechanics & map awareness will go up. When I was trying to grind to plat I would prefer to have jungle or middle but that's just because all my favorite champions are either jungle or middle (tf, ahri, syndra for mid. shaco, vi, shyvana for jungle) and since I play them the most I feel like I'm the best in one of those positions. But if I have to get stuck playing adc, support or top I don't really mind as much because I feel that my mechanics & map awareness should at least make me not die in lane, which would allow me to hopefully go even.
I also think it's too hard to call whether somebody is going to be viable in the new jungle or not. I'm sure it'll help out some junglers such as warwick or fiddle because having that new giant wraith or whatever means they can single target it down, yet then I look at Vi, Nasus, Shyvana, J4 and still think they are going to be strong. Look how strong those champions can turn out now and then think about next season were you will get more gold and xp from the jungle.
I also think it's too hard to call whether somebody is going to be viable in the new jungle or not. I'm sure it'll help out some junglers such as warwick or fiddle because having that new giant wraith or whatever means they can single target it down, yet then I look at Vi, Nasus, Shyvana, J4 and still think they are going to be strong. Look how strong those champions can turn out now and then think about next season were you will get more gold and xp from the jungle.
Sidian brings up a good point. Are you playing for fun or just for rating. I personally get a lot of fun out of mastering a champ and spamming them. So it isn't uncommon for my last 30 games to only have 2-4 champs played. I have a couple friends that I think are better then me from a mechanics standpoint but they never settle on a role or a group of champs and so they bounce up and down the ranking ladders because their play is wildly inconsistent.
