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Ravishing

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I feel you guys about Solo Queue, but I've been playing it so long now, it's just become entertaining being able to witness the trolling and the sheer tomfoolery that solo queue can produce. I go into every game telling myself "have to carry, have to carry"... because if I don't, guaranteed I'll lose. I definitely have those feeder games... some really bad ones, too, but I tend to carry more often than not. I rarely rage or make sarcastic quips but sometimes when I have been up too late and am more tired than awake I'll dive into a raging mess.

I started yesterday having to win 1 more game to finally get promoted back to Silver I. This was my 4th attempt at doing so. The previous 3 attempts I always went 1W-2L. It seems I kept getting so close and then would always get stuck with uncarriable games. I had even dropped down to Silver III for a day and had to work back up to Silver II. Somehow I breezed through that promotion series as I went on a 6 game winning streak and was just dominating bot lane. I main ADC, in particular I only play Miss Fortune. When I am in a promotion series I will refuse to play anything else.

My record is something like: 205 W - 145 L with Miss Fortune for Season 3.

So last night was my 4th attempt at getting back to Silver I. My promotion series was at 1W-1L. I had to win the next game no matter what. I can absolutely say that I carried the game to victory. I went 9-4-10 in a 30min game. I was 7-0 during laning phase. I annihilated their ADC but their Mid & Top were fed. A lot of games I will talk very little, but I had to take control and for this game I gave orders constantly. My team was feeding almost everywhere. I knew we had to group up and start putting on the pressure. At first my team was doubtful and I could tell they didn't think we had a snowball's chance in hell to win this game, but we had a few good team fights in mid lane. I was able to get off a couple good ults that hit the majority of the enemy team, I was so fed that my ult got most of the enemy team to 50% or less health. Once that happened my team cleaned up and their confidence grew. It was satisfying to hear the enemy acknowledge my play, several of them said "GG MF". It was the most satisfying victory as it got me that promotion, finally.

I would say the key was that I abandoned my bot lane earlier than I normally would because it was getting to the point that it would be an unwinnable game if we didn't begin grouping up. It took a lot of coercing to get my team to converge at mid lane, but once they saw we could win fights, it got easier. Sometimes winning games means not having tunnel vision and trying to think of alternate ways to win, you also need the confidence that you can carry. I knew I was fed enough that with the rest of my team as fodder I could easily melt the enemy team. It just took some convincing for my team to see that.



So after that game, I lose my next 2 games - I even had 1 game where I fed badly, went 4-13-13. It was a troll game. I was the captain and called adc first but last pick does the usual "2k Elo smurf that only adc's".. I hate liars so I tell him I'm going adc and he - of course - replies "ok 2 ADC then". If this happened during my promotion series perhaps I would have wavered and playing something else, but in this case I didn't much care. I couldn't get demoted now and I won't lose any LP (already at 0). So we have 2 ADC bot lane and it just didn't go well. Probably could have won, I could have played better for sure, just one of those games where you need to forget it and move on. So I lose the next game too, went top-lane as Vi. Vi is not great for top lane but I actually won my lane vs Nidalee. I couldn't carry it though. Vi is very strong but is stronger as a jungler where she can influence more of the lanes. Ended up 7-7-3, which isn't great for sure, deaths always tend to rack up when you're on the losing side.

Next 3 games I get back to the winning ways. I even had the pleasure of being carried for one. Went 3-10-15 as Vi Jungle. 10 deaths is absolutely terrible for sure. I was able to annihilate the enemy ADC though, which let my team secure a victory. I would initiate and down their adc but it usually meant my demise. Could have played better, I guess that's why I try to ADC more than not
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Last game of the night was one where I went Top-lane Kha Zix and carried hard along with our mid laner. Went 19-4-12 and my mid lane was Ahri that went 17-3-17... Our ADC did respectable though, problem was we lost *every* team fight, we had Baron stolen from us, we just could not win a 5v5 *at all*. The enemy team had a Singed (I went against Singed in top lane). Kha Zix is good at countering Singed as there is no way he can harass a Kha Zix or out-farm him. Singed players love to push, push, push... Kha Zix is perhaps the best wave clearer in game. Winning the lane was easy but Singed managed to get fed eventually and wreaked havoc on my team. Ahri and myself did a fine job surviving, we combined for 7 deaths, rest of my team combined for 29.

I absolutely believed we could lose the game even though our top/mid were fed to fuck but eventually I abandoned my team and started split pushing. Kha Zix can't be ganked and I could kill any of the enemy 1v1, so I was fine drawing attention. The enemy team fragmented, we picked them off, finally took the first inhib of the game at 40mins in and from there we easily did baron (which didn't get stolen this time) and were able to push for a win.




I guess the morale of the story is some games will be unwinnable, some games you'll feed, but if you want your best chance at winning, get yourself fed and make good decisions. Nobody will listen to someone they deem as "feeding", so first you need to have a decent score, than you can control your team. In 1 instance I required my team to group up as 5 to win, in another case it required a split push strat to win. If I lost my lane or fed in either game my team would not have listened, would not have had confidence, and we would have lost.

I rarely duo but always open to ranked duo if of similar rating, IGN: so Ravishing
 

Thengel

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9 times out of ten pick order is retarded and people only call "Pick Order" if they lose at calling an actual lane.



Who is in the wrong in this? I guess BOTH parties? Honestly though, calling a lane and then trumping someone else if you called it late is a bitchmade move IMHO.

Even then most the time the person who reverted back to pick order is TERRIBLE at the role and feeds 1/2 the game ultimately causing the games loss.
I really can't get behind the idea that whoever spams fastest has some right to that lane. It sounds like that's actually what you're saying. Maybe it's about as good a system as any, and it still sucks ass.
 

Ravishing

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Pick Order > Calling, but there is no rule and in champ select players will always use the one that supports them most. What gets me is when I call first & pick first and someone still bitches about it
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Normally its when a duo wants to control champ select and have their free choice at picks -- fuck duos that only go bot lane, they always end up feeding.
 

sebur

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I really can't get behind the idea that whoever spams fastest has some right to that lane. It sounds like that's actually what you're saying. Maybe it's about as good a system as any, and it still sucks ass.
I personally go back and forth on this. I can play any roll at a decent level so it is much less of a problem for me. I won't lie though, sometimes I get in to that mind set of I want to win so I am going to carry? Guess what I am first pick so I am picking my best carry. Feels wrong at times but then usually when I let someone play "their" role they seems to always suck at it.

I was debating with some friends the other day about a WoW type dungeon queue system where you pick the role you are wanting to play, possibly even multiple roles...but then I just see that getting abused as well. I really am at a loss to a solution that can't be abused and solves the problems of the people who shouldn't even be playing ranked.
 

Marfy_sl

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Pick Order > Calling, but there is no rule and in champ select players will always use the one that supports them most. What gets me is when I call first & pick first and someone still bitches about it
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Normally its when a duo wants to control champ select and have their free choice at picks -- fuck duos that only go bot lane, they always end up feeding.
Everyone in solo queue seems to demand top or mid. Then you've got the duo premade who want to go bot. My best position is at top and I usually call it but shitters just go "no premade" or "I have first pick". They then pick their lane champ, get counterpicked and feed. I've pretty much resigned myself to just jungling in solo queue and try to excel more at that.

The best game I've had was when everyone just sort of talked about which lanes they were the strongest in and mutually agreed to put this person there etc. Beautiful communication and we stomped the enemy team. Rare gems those.
 

Sidian

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Pick order > call order. Just be nice about it. Say that you prefer X since it's your best spot. Or ask the other guy if he's good at some other position and see if he'll play that. I don't ranked often but when I do it's with a friend who is silver 3 or so. I'll always be first pick when I play with him and I always join up and say "I prefer mid" and if someone else asks for mid I'll talk in chat and see if they are able to play anywhere else. If they are being absolutely anal about it I can play any position well enough that it doesn't matter to me, but I just know in lower league games if I play mid I can usually carry them hard. Actually, my last 3 ranked games have been perfect. (15/0/11 lux followed by 11/0/11 syndra followed by 9/0/2 lux)
 
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Reds haven't completely taken a side in the pick order verses call debate, but they kind of have. A couple of the reds have linked the portion of the summoners code where it states that last pick should be rounding out the team even if it isn't their preferred role they have to play. So if I made a judgement call as to who would get in trouble if reports started flying about during champ select because of order vs called then riot would most likely take action against those who are lower in pick order. So by default I guess Order > calling.

Really though, everyone who plays ranked should be good at two roles and competent at a third so that they can contribute if they don't get their prime role. People should talk in champ select and figure out how best to distribute the teams talent around.

Also, jungle kass is a thing. Surprised the shit out of me when kobe was talking about Saint Vicious experimenting with it, but I tried it in a couple of games. Started 3-0-2 in my first game but eventually lost because of bad team comp and going liandry's too early. Second game I went 8-0-4 trying an on hit version that started with spirit of the ancient lizard and had the enemy team surrendering at the 22 min mark.
 

Bain

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I agree that the pick order is more important than calling a role. You should always be able to play adequately in at least two roles and have a third that you can fill in when you have to. It doesn't do anything except hurt your chances of winning when you call a role and then ignore the pick above you when they take the role you called. Two mids, two tops, two anything in a lane is just going to set a bad tone for the entire game and hurt you later. Sure, you may have crushed that guy and never had any problems, but when your team has two underfed bruisers top and no support with an ADC that has to 1v2 bot, who really hurt the team more?
 
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Pick Order > Call Order but if you are gonna use 1st or 2nd pick on mid you better find someone to trade with.
Depends on who you play. Certain safe picks like lux, Ori, ryze, tf, Gragas and kayle mid can be picked without too much fear of counter picking. They can all farm from safety while having the tools to deal with a variety of different champs. But yes, if you plan on playing a niche champ or one who has very distinctive and easy counters (Fizz, Kass, LB) then you should be looking for trades. Top is the same Nid, Ren, elise, and some others can farm and survive against anyone so you can FP them without fear.
 
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Ryze definitely has hard counters. Brand and Cass stick out to me.
Not hard enough to prevent him from farming his lane. Also Brand (who is an inferior ap to start with) doesn't beat Ryze post 6 unless Ryze is fighting in a creep wave.

edit to clarify my stance:

Hard countering doesn't always mean that a champ can completely lock down another champ. It sometimes does, but it usually means that in an actual 1v1 fight or in harass trades the HC champ will come out on top. Unless you are able to stop them from farming then you haven't really countered them at all. You've just made it in to a farm lane. Nid and Elise are a good example of this. Nid is pretty much viewed as the true hard counter to Elise. Really though all she does is ignore the harass potential that Elise brings to a lane. A smart Elise if forced in to a matchup with Nid can still farm effectively, she just will not gain the benefit of lane kills that she is used to.
 

GuardianX

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The issue is RARELY that a person"Cannot"play another role but more or less the role they pick (top / mid / jungle) is able to carry a team. Solo queueing as a support is all great if you like being at the whim of 4 people but terrible if you intend to carry games.

The issue comes in Silver league because people think that they are better at the role they requested than the rest of the team or another person that requested the role. Nearly everyone lands in silver, even the people who really really suck at blind pick land in silver. They don't understand mechanics, they don't understand team comp, what they do understand is that calling a lane is pretty typical and that they can "trump" someone calling a lane by calling position. This doesn't mean they are ANY good at the lane they requested, it does mean that you now soured the mood in your game by being a douche.
 
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So because someone types faster they should have preference? You have no clue how good the fast typist is anymore then you know how good the higher pick order is. I sure as shit know that if I'm going to jung or top for the specific game and my last pick calls the role then whines like a baby when I take it that it is their issue and not mine. The only reasonable judge of skill in a game with four strangers is your mmr which dictates pick order. I also trust my skill at my preferred lane over some random pubs. Are they better then me? Maybe, but I know what I bring to the table in my good roles and I have no clue what their skill level is at. So I take the sure thing because my mmr allows me to make that call. Now if someone is just taking the lane to be a dick because they a last pick called it, that is a different situation entirely.
 

Diamyr_sl

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This thread is literally GD v2.

Missing the whole concept of these forums in the first place.

Is there one regular poster here in plat/diamond?
 
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Man, you not only managed to complain about GD like this was GD. You also managed to toss in the backhanded swipe regarding mmr and the validity of opinions based on it. Thanks for contributing to the GDness of this thread.
 

Marfy_sl

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So because someone types faster they should have preference? You have no clue how good the fast typist is anymore then you know how good the higher pick order is. I sure as shit know that if I'm going to jung or top for the specific game and my last pick calls the role then whines like a baby when I take it that it is their issue and not mine. The only reasonable judge of skill in a game with four strangers is your mmr which dictates pick order. I also trust my skill at my preferred lane over some random pubs. Are they better then me? Maybe, but I know what I bring to the table in my good roles and I have no clue what their skill level is at. So I take the sure thing because my mmr allows me to make that call. Now if someone is just taking the lane to be a dick because they a last pick called it, that is a different situation entirely.
If they're not communicating in any reasonable fashion then I think that's the right call. I had a bunch of spanish dudes I was unable to communicate with and just picked my top lane champ. I received a lot of "putaaa puta" and "mierda" for it but I carried hard.