League Of Legends

Pyros · Oct 25, 2015

Commander Vimeseh_sl said:
As a whole I would agree with you. More teams plus a losers bracket means for more and most likely better games. The loser bracket finals and the grand finals themselves were pretty lacklustre though. It just seemed good because a western team ended up winning the whole thing.

I guess the format doesn't help yeah, that and the whole making the tournament last so many weeks because they only play a few games every weekend, kinda kills the excitement I think. Those semis were boring as hell though,

neither of the western team looked like they could win the series after the first 20minutes of the first game.

. And tbh, the finals looks like it'll be boring as hell too. Quarters had some good games though.

That said after watching a bunch of lol, there's been a lot of improvements in terms of champion viability and stuff but god are a lot of the game no action farmfests for 25-30mins. Once the fighting starts it gets good but the laning in lol is like really bad, lasts too long and there's only like 1kill attempt every 3-4minutes at most when the jungler is rotating. Riot should probably look into tweaking kill/turret gold versus just farming creeps to emphasize agression a bit more during early game.

Commander Vimeseh_sl · Oct 25, 2015

Interesting to see how badly the gragas disable screwed the euro jungles in the semi's.

Gilg must have nutted with the Zac picks.

Khane · Oct 25, 2015

Huni and Reignover played terrible the entire series. And that can't happen when you stick Rekkles on support style carries.

Rod-138 · Oct 25, 2015

Why didn't they swap out of that Riven Hec matchup ? I don't get all the nuances of super competitive play, but don't teams usually send bot top if it's a huge mismatch ?

Lasch · Oct 25, 2015

Djevel Innenfor · Oct 25, 2015

This went exactly as I was afraid it would. Western teams are failing at adapting to or adopting the early aggression playstyle that the asians always use, and I can't understand why. Some of the US teams most successful games were when they went with the early tristana push bot then rotate to mid strat to drop towers immediately. They shat on teams with it. But when it was banned away or taken they had no other plan for early pressure and it showed. And they lost. At that level of league you can't lose the early game. Who cares if you have a great mid or lategame team if you got dumpstered in the first 15 minutes? This passive play crap needs to go. Waiting for an opponent at least as skilled as you are to make a mistake is a terrible gameplan.

Speaking of gameplan, is it just me, or has the coaching and draft phase of the western teams been dogshit compared to the asian divisions?

Draegan_sl · Oct 26, 2015

I think the majority (if not all) of the NA teams have shitty coaching and shitty infrastructure. It comes down to having children running the business (like Regi).

Lasch · Oct 26, 2015

Lasch_sl said:
You forgot ADC.

Foooook yeah.

TSM ADC Tryout | Team SoloMid

...

Our current AD Carry Jason ?WildTurtle? Tran will be participating in these tryouts. The position will go to whomever we feel to be the best suited for it.

Ravishing · Oct 26, 2015

Turtle still able to make the roster. Will be interesting to see if they can find a replacement. I still think Turtle is one of the best NA ADCs. KEITHMCBRIEF wasn't good enough. Would be sweet if they can find the NA equivalent of Niels.

Khane · Oct 27, 2015

Turtle is terrible at positioning. All he does is come in and clean up and KS after his team has already won a fight. He hasn't carried a game in forever.

Ravishing · Oct 27, 2015

I think the biggest problem is the coaching staff got in his head too much. Turtle was an animal when he didn't give any fucks, sure, he would jump in/flash in some instances where he shouldn't, but now he's playing way too pussy. If you watch his SoloQ games he's still a beast. Niels carried OG because he was playing super aggressive and was even on the frontlines leading the charge. His team comp was built to allow him to do it, but Turtle could do the same exact thing if they take off his leash and give him some support.

TJT · Oct 27, 2015

I wonder how long it will take the NA teams to figure that out. EU did, they were the original passive/defensive teams that just waited until late game critical mass to do fucking anything. Getting shit on by highly aggressive Asian teams who are not afraid to take risks then just have your cock in a vice the whole game must have gotten old.

I honestly wonder what they're thinking sometimes. It isn't like this shit is unexpected at this point. Korean/China brings these same strats every single year. But they all have a much larger champion pool to work with usually as well. I really want to see an NA team win the LCS some year. Just not sure what it will take for that to happen.

Tenks · Oct 27, 2015

I installed this yesterday, played the tutorials then saw a WoW looking tree that seemed to effect my in-game character and I'm not sure if I'm about that. So now I'd have to learn a roster of 100, skill and item builds for my selected few and also how to talent them? I think I may be years late to the party for this game it feels a tad overwhelming.

Sumdain x · Oct 27, 2015

you can hot change all the talents between matches for free. there are tons of sites that will help point out optimal talent builds as well. Runes will give you a tiny advantage and aren't really useful until Tier 3 so most people skip those and conserve the points.

i suggest lolpro.com or lolking.com

Draegan_sl · Oct 27, 2015

Tenks_sl said:
I installed this yesterday, played the tutorials then saw a WoW looking tree that seemed to effect my in-game character and I'm not sure if I'm about that. So now I'd have to learn a roster of 100, skill and item builds for my selected few and also how to talent them? I think I may be years late to the party for this game it feels a tad overwhelming.

You have a mastery pages, these are pretty simple. There is usually one for offense and defense and utility. Each has two flavors of whether or not your character is AD or AP based. You can get away with have like 5 or 6 mastery pages and call it a day. There are not infinite combinations people use and the differences of a point here or there are incredibly negligible for almost every level of play.

You don't have to learn a roster of 100 champs; especially as you level up. The recommended item build is good enough to mess around with as you play bots and learn the game. If you find a champ you really like playing, go read up on some guides and get an idea. If you actually like the game, it's worth the effort. There is a learning curve.

Rombo · Oct 27, 2015

Question is tho, invest time learning this or dota... trying to figure that one out.

skrala · Oct 27, 2015

They're both fun, and they both have shithole communities. DotA is a little slower and more complex, League is simpler and more mechanically fast (I wouldn't say more intensive, per se, but it's a faster game).

Edit: if you're coming from HoTS then League will feel more similar mechanically, in terms of movement and attack animations. DotA feels much different to me.

skrala · Oct 27, 2015

It should also be noted, DotA shits all over League in terms of the client. I prefer League's gameplay, but the front end and client are an embarrassment compared to what DotA offers.

Tenks · Oct 27, 2015

Rombo_sl said:
Question is tho, invest time learning this or dota... trying to figure that one out.

From my extremely quick tutorial thing for LoL some big differences I saw:

You can TP to base for free in League (not sure if there is an item you can buy to TP to a tower)
Since you use skills more often in League you can get last hits easier via AOE skills and just skills in general
-Also no deny
Jungling is a bit more interactive in League since the NPC can give buffs instead of just XP/Gold
Overall the game felt faster and more twitch and reaction based compared to DOTA
DOTA has a much, much better monetization model than League

That was my impression from my exactly one tutorial me + bots game

Some things I was trying to figure out via the shop is if League is as dependent upon clicky items (eg; Blink Dagger, Orchid, Eul's, Force) as DOTA. It felt like there were fewer active abilities but I couldn't really grasp if the fewer actives were extremely necessary or not.

Ravishing · Oct 27, 2015

There are a decent amount of activated items but most characters buy between 0 and 2.. more than 2 would be extreme cases or for fun... supports have the most options in this space and could end up with 4 actives if they wanted

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