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Enzee

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There is no 'meta' before lvl 30.. There isn't really a 'meta' at lvl 30 in most games. People confuse the term 'meta' with 'status quo'. Meta means the game before the game, i.e. guessing what strategy your opponent will implement, and picking one that counters that. Pros will start playing champs because they are good against the champs most other pro teams generally play.. and then a month later, the average person realizes that champ is actually good IF you are good with them and they become a new OP flavor of the month champ in solo queues, despite no buffs to that champ in that time period from when people thought they sucked. The most recent example, that hasn't actually completely caught on in solo queue, is maybe the Jarvan/taric combo, more specifically Jarvan jungle. Last few weeks, if you pick a jarvan for jungle, people would sometimes bitch and moan that he isn't that good. Then, the last week or two, pro teams are playing him left and right and he's just starting to become a popular pick again. The lower your ELO, the bigger delay from pros playing him to it becoming 'acceptable' to play.

I remember two weeks ago, playing kat top lane, rushing a warmogs ala Voyboy and having someone bitch at me for being a noob when they saw me buy giants belt as first big item.. before I preceded to go 2-0 in my lane and then carry half of our teamfights afterwards and having them apologize by the end of the game. But, once you think about it, the longer kat lives in a team fight, the more damage she does due to resets. Her base damages are good, but her AP scaling isn't great, so MR pen and survival stats end up being her best DPS build overall for team fights. Especially if you have anyone else on the team that can burst someone low enough to get you rolling on resets.

Pros tend to think about the game more then we do, so copying them isn't a bad place to start.. but applying your own logic and thought process never hurts. Like, I often copy most of a pros runes/masteries for a champ if I'm learning them, but if it was a champ I knew well (such as ryze) I made little changes myself based on what I normally face or what are my tougher matchups. Running flat health AND flat MR runes to combat my counter picks (like cass), and going 3/3 in the spellvamp/lifesteal mastery when I normally just put 1 point in.. basically, things to just let me get out of laning with decent farm against champs I'd normally have problems with.
 

TJT

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I played a lot of HoN and I still play DOTA2, but currently I am really loving League.

Personally, here are my pros and cons.

Pros:
1.) More efficient setup, I.E. No secret shop/observatory and removed TP Scroll/courier mechanics. These are holdovers from the WC3 engine and should have been removed long ago.
2.) More skillshots.
3.) Less punishing overall. Althouth I love DOTA, getting your ass kicked for 30 minutes when you knew you had no chance to recover at 15. This doesn't happen so much in League, or rather you don't notice it so much.
4.) Improves a lot of the quality of life of the game that, again, were remnants of the now archaic WC3 engine. Such as stopping leveling at 18 and having no "stats" levels.

Cons:
1.) Denial mechanics are gone, which I feel are good for another level of mechanical skill.
2.) A lack of those certain "interesting" champions. I really miss champions like HoN's Zephyr. Or DOTA2's Batrider and Phantom Lancer. They added a lot of interesting skills and possibilities to the game. League just doesn't have shit like that unfortunately.
3.) Masteries (I.E. Talents) and Runes are lame as shit.
4.) The meta, the reason the 1 top 2 bot 1 mid 1 jungle setup is so often used is that its the most efficient. DOTA2 has multiple setups that work well and that is better IMO.
 

jeydax

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I've played the 4 big ones (LOL, DOTA, DOTA2, HoN) and still think LOL is the best. Merely a personal opinion but here's my pro/cons.

Pros
1) Bushes. I really love what these added to the game.
2) Summoner Spells. Hated summoner spells at first (only because I didn't understand them, ha!) but using them correctly can make or break team fights - just another skill level added to the game.
3) Runes/Masteries. I disagree with TJT here on the runes/masteries but I do think they need to get rid of this "leveling" system and simply use ELO. Everyone should get full quints/seals/etc when they first start playing. I like that it gives you another avenue to play characters differently than whatever the mainstream is.
4) Leveling stops at 18. Glad they got rid of the stat levels.
5) Hero/Champ balance. One thing I have to give Riot is with the amount of champs they have how balanced they've been able to keep the game. Sure some are a little messed up but I remember some VERY stupid OP champs or heros in other games that simply never got fixed. You rarely see this in LOL now.

Cons
1) No Denying. I really wish they would add this to the game. It was such a crucial test of skill in HON/DOTA.
2) The meta. Agreed, I'm getting sick of 1 top, 1 mid, 2 bot, 1 jungle. I remember doing 3-1-1 or 1-1-3 or other variations in DOTA. Its funny how absolutely engrained in people's heads the current meta is.
3) Agree on the interesting champs bit. They cuckold themselves a lot and I don't know why. They have unlimited, boundless abilities they could be giving heros and it seems their creativeness has run stagnant as of late.
4) No penalties other than time for death. Making players lose gold for deaths would be nice to have back in the game.
 

Ganthorn

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Man i tried 3 to 4 times to get into this , i mean i played the shit out of HoN tried this , no dice...then i played the shit out DotA 2 , tried this again no dice. Not sure what it is , maybe cause this is such a passive bitches game that i just cannot play this garbage.Like what makes you guys enjoy this game , trying to grasp why it has such a large following of fucking drooling retards.The reason for this , cause said fucking retards infest the normal MOBA games , that they think LoL is the way these games are meant to be played. Dont take this as me shitting on you all , its just I dislike this game with a passion and the way its meta game turned out. Complete snail paced garbage , vectors for all abilties and people still fucking cant hit shit with it. Granted never hit 30 to where maybe it has less fucking retards , but i cant see it making that much of a difference.
If you are complaining about slow paced try Dominion. Ever since the dominion map came out I can't bring myself to play summoners rift anymore. The few times I have I was bored to tears. All that sit and farm for the first 20 mins of the game but farm is boring. Also I feel like in Dominion its rarely ever over even if the other team is ahead. I remember in SR too many times that the other team got an early level/gold lead and you were screwed. I have had 400-20 games in dominion turn around.
 

TecKnoe

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Because a lot of people would disagree with you.
Makes sense, but i dont see it in this game, everyone essentially has an escape.. and or 2 set in stone abilities, feels cheap dirty much like a tranny.

so what you can stun or harass me whats the point i can blink at 1 no gank potential, its like they dont want you to fight.
 

TJT

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Makes sense, but i dont see it in this game, everyone essentially has an escape.. and or 2 set in stone abilities, feels cheap dirty much like a tranny.

so what you can stun or harass me whats the point i can blink at 1 no gank potential, its like they dont want you to fight.
Although Summoner's Spells are kind of lame. I fully believe that something like blink should be restricted to an item you have to buy, such as DOTA's blink dagger. However, once you get used to it, the blink (Flash) is on a VERY long cooldown and it becomes part of the game to get your opponents to burn it unnecessarily, preventing an escape at an even more crucial moment. Also, due to everyone essentially having blink, you don't have champions like Queen of Pain, who can blink every four seconds... which is kind of unfortunate, she was fun.

Much like was mentioned earlier, I think that Runes/Masters and Summoner's Spells should either be A.) Removed, or B.) Given to everyone so that the playing field is more even. But that's just me.
 

Ravishing

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Blink can be used offensively too. I usually flash to secure a kill rather then to escape. Its not to just avoid fighting. The game is a challenge because you are fighting other PLAYERS and not the game mechanics or micro. I disagree with anybody that says LoL takes no skill or is easy, the simple fact you play vs other humans makes it a challenging game.

The main reason I like LoL is simply because it is easy to watch and follow, the map and champs are very distinguishable. Anytime I look at HoN or DoTA2 it is all browns/blacks/dark colors and can't focus on anything. LoL is the perfect spectator game, I usually have a stream during work even if just in the background because I can easily pop-in, watch a couple minutes and understand 100% everything that is going on.

I haven't played HoN or DoTA2 so maybe thats why they are more confusing to view, but knowing DoTA and LoL it shouldn't be terribly hard to get into them, but when I try watching streams for those games it's annoying as fuck to figure out what is happening.
 

Bain

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As someone who played a good bit of the original DOTA and another 600+ hours of DOTA 2 in the end I really end up preferring League of Legends simply because when I issue a command to my hero it reacts instantly instead of giving me an annoying artificial delay. I can enjoy both games but the smooth gameplay of League keeps me coming back.

Edit: dat shushei laser. gg
 

skrala

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As someone who played a good bit of the original DOTA and another 600+ hours of DOTA 2 in the end I really end up preferring League of Legends simply because when I issue a command to my hero it reacts instantly instead of giving me an annoying artificial delay. I can enjoy both games but the smooth gameplay of League keeps me coming back.
This is exactly my feeling on it. I like DOTA 2, but the decision to keep the sluggish feel to the game to mimic the W3 engine was not a good one in my opinion.
 

WhatsAmmataU_sl

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As someone who played a good bit of the original DOTA and another 600+ hours of DOTA 2 in the end I really end up preferring League of Legends simply because when I issue a command to my hero it reacts instantly instead of giving me an annoying artificial delay. I can enjoy both games but the smooth gameplay of League keeps me coming back.

Edit: dat shushei laser. gg
this x's a million. Dota 2 feels like you are playing in mud. no thanks.
 

Enzee

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Much like was mentioned earlier, I think that Runes/Masters and Summoner's Spells should either be A.) Removed, or B.) Given to everyone so that the playing field is more even. But that's just me.
huh? The same runes/masteries/summoners ARE available to everyone.. I don't get what you meant by that.
 

Bain

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Wolves manage to throw another game where they have a massive lead. I'm surprised that their role switching actually seems to work out better for them even with no team practice.
 
Took the advice on Dominion , ok now that is fun as hell. Dunno why i never tried that mode before. Like Arena in Smite , played that game for so long and a week back i tried arena and now thats all i play. Sorry for shitting up the thread earlier , I tend to rage alot =( when it comes to competitive gaming. Because a lot of the other games besides this has LoL players that say they are a pro with X LoL champion but fucking cant play any other game for fucking squat then go on to say this game sucks LoL is better and leave and then stuck playing a 4v5 for the next 20 to 40 mins.
 

Zaphid

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More viewers =/= better game. See WoW, when arenas started in MLG, they broke every viewer record set by games before and you would have to be pants-on-head retarded to think it was the next esport now. SC2 is probably the only game that is watched by people that don't play it at least casually, since it stays the same for long periods of time and has some real world logic applying to it.

I stopped playing LoL because the meta is frozen in place, it feels too much like on rails and their rating system promotes very toxic community in solo queue. Also not fan of runes and their champion release and pricing, since it is at odds with competition and to balance that meta needs to stay as it is. Dota 2 dares you to pick the craziest lineup and make it work, you have more tools at your disposal to influence the game. Non-instant turning speed is really just something you either get used to or don't, I feel like it adds more depth to the game, same for denying. I could also rant about the skins and how they are bullshit if you want to actually watch the game and how the teamfights look like unicorn jizzed on your screen, but I wouldn't accomplish anything.
 

Buffylol

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Such bullshit negromancy. Again, promo series. Game one cho mid. Early game for entire team goes great, mid late game fail because Jax/Khaz both build glass cannons. They ping for initiates, I initiate, they run away. Game 2 J4 jungling. Setup mid with first blood. Setup bot with a kill setup top with a kill. All lanes are winning, countering their jungle hard. Then our mid feeds, top feeds, and bot feeds. GG at 20 minutes.
 

Ganthorn

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huh? The same runes/masteries/summoners ARE available to everyone.. I don't get what you meant by that.
I believe what he means is get rid of the tier 1/2/3 rune system so you can start building your real rune pages from the start and also give everyone at all levels access to full 30pts of masteries and all of the summoner abilities. This is something I have thought as well. It doesn't really affect me personally since i've been 30 since near beta but I would think it would be better for the game as a whole. That way the level 29 doesn't have as much of an innate advantage over the level 10 even tho the level 10 may be a better player.