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Enzee
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Yea, and I couldn't be happier. Dunno if you watched their video before the last chance qualifiers, that showed how serious they realized the situation was now and what a turn around they have made in discipline towards practicing/strategy theorizing/etc.. For them to be on this tear, scrimming against the other top teams (unlike other NA teams in previous seasons that took solo Q, streaming, and not leaking strats more seriously then practicing against quality opponents). Them being this good is better for all the NA teams really, which is what I wanted to see more than anything. Plus, it's karma for Saint and Elementz that they are owning CLG after getting benched/quitting that team. At the same time, since they picked up Aphromoo, I do like CLG more now then I did after the Saint/Elementz leaving drama, but Curse was definitely my 'underdog' that I was rooting for before the season started. Glad to see they aren't actually the underdog.
Bain
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Same here. I'm very glad Curse has been making a strong showing. I also feel the same way about CLG that you do(in that I didn't like them for quite a bit, but they seemed to have leveled out now). I'm also pleased that Vulcan Command managed to get in some wins. They played really well tonight.
Complexity is the only team that is really getting stomped at this point. However they have only played 2 games so far. Which puts them were Vulcan/Wolves/GGU were two weeks ago. Hopefully they can make a strong showing tomorrow and next week to up their win mark a little bit.
Really, the big difference I'm seeing between the old teams and the new isn't at the skill level. They've won a lot of lanes and early games versus teams like Curse/TSM/Dig. Its at the macro level and the team cohesion level. They just don't know how to spin lane wins and early dominance in to tower pushes and the slow choke hold we watch the experienced teams put on their opponents. Once they get some time under their belts I'm sure GGU and Vulcan can put up a fight, same with wolves.
Really, the big difference I'm seeing between the old teams and the new isn't at the skill level. They've won a lot of lanes and early games versus teams like Curse/TSM/Dig. Its at the macro level and the team cohesion level. They just don't know how to spin lane wins and early dominance in to tower pushes and the slow choke hold we watch the experienced teams put on their opponents. Once they get some time under their belts I'm sure GGU and Vulcan can put up a fight, same with wolves.
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I wouldn't necessarily say Complexity is getting stomped. They definitely were roflstomped by Vulcan but their first loss was one of Curse's closest matches so far with Complexity leading until the 35 min mark. That gives them a good chunk of cred being able to push it that hard onto the undeniably best current team in NA. That Vulcan game was out of control though. Their jungle threw pretty hard getting caught out like 4-5 times with some poor map awareness and bad initiating. But yeah, with only 2 games we'll see how they fare moving on.
Marn's been my underdog team of choice since their awesome comebacks in the qualifiers. Now Vulcan might be my new favorite underdog with the complete upset over CLG and the most one-sided game in the LCS yet against Complexity.
Marn's been my underdog team of choice since their awesome comebacks in the qualifiers. Now Vulcan might be my new favorite underdog with the complete upset over CLG and the most one-sided game in the LCS yet against Complexity.
With Marn playing against GGU and Vulcun today hopefully they can have a stronger showing than they have so far. Also anyone see next week's schedule? They have games on Wednesday going from 11am to 10pm PST, with more games thurs/fri as well. Going to be a crazy couple of days, almost a tournament amount of games going on then. Should be really cool to see
Enzee
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Vulcaaaaaan.. fuck yea! I know it's Vulcun, but the VulCANT and VulCAN jokes are so lame that I find them funny and it's stuck.
Ideally, I'd like to see the final standings be like 1st Curse (Firstcursemurse!) 2nd Vulcan 3rd/4th TSM/CLG.. but with all 4 of those teams dominating the international scene. Actually, Vulcan, TSM and CLG are pretty interchangeable, long as those 3 are 2nd thru 4th. and... I don't know why, but I don't really like Dignitas. I like Scarra, he's great/funny/smart/etc.., but I just don't find myself rooting for them over those other 4. Maybe they'll change my mind watching them this season.
Ideally, I'd like to see the final standings be like 1st Curse (Firstcursemurse!) 2nd Vulcan 3rd/4th TSM/CLG.. but with all 4 of those teams dominating the international scene. Actually, Vulcan, TSM and CLG are pretty interchangeable, long as those 3 are 2nd thru 4th. and... I don't know why, but I don't really like Dignitas. I like Scarra, he's great/funny/smart/etc.., but I just don't find myself rooting for them over those other 4. Maybe they'll change my mind watching them this season.
Bain
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Truth. I would like to see Curse, Vulcun, and Dignitas take the top 3 and leave CLG/TSM in the dust. I just don't see TSM or CLG having the teamplay that the other teams have demonstrated this week(and previously for Curse), which is ironic because of Vulcun's poor showing leading me to believe that they didn't have the teamplay to start with. Way to make me eat my words.
Enzee
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I used to like TSM until they got overly arrogant and stopped taking the game seriously.. For instance, they are still winless against korean teams I believe, but they still act like they are top shit. If they could eat a little humble pie like Curse did pre-season, I'd like them again.
CLG... I just love the shit out of aphromoo. He's easily my favorite player/streamer anywhere and I wish him all the best. I could give two shits about the rest of the team. In a way, I think him leaving Vulcan made them better, even though he was the best player on the team. Someone referred to it as the 'Ewing Effect' and I think that's appropriate. When you have one player that's obviously the best on the team, the other team can focus their strategies towards shutting them down and win the game as a result. You replace that player with a weaker player and the team ends up being more balanced/working better as a team. That said, I think Zuna is very good, and grabbing Sycho sid helped them ALOT as well, it's not just aphro leaving that made them better. They have a better overall synergy now, basically.
CLG... I just love the shit out of aphromoo. He's easily my favorite player/streamer anywhere and I wish him all the best. I could give two shits about the rest of the team. In a way, I think him leaving Vulcan made them better, even though he was the best player on the team. Someone referred to it as the 'Ewing Effect' and I think that's appropriate. When you have one player that's obviously the best on the team, the other team can focus their strategies towards shutting them down and win the game as a result. You replace that player with a weaker player and the team ends up being more balanced/working better as a team. That said, I think Zuna is very good, and grabbing Sycho sid helped them ALOT as well, it's not just aphro leaving that made them better. They have a better overall synergy now, basically.
TSM suffers from "I could be the best if I tried harder" mentality and manage to get jackshit done since what, open beta/season 1?
edit: Actually that's EVERY NA pro for every game.
edit: Actually that's EVERY NA pro for every game.
Enzee
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They were hands down the best NA team last year. They won the NA title, earning them that bye through the group stages of the season 2 championships, where they promptly got swept by Azubu Frost.. again.. Basically, the NA scene was weak, but TSM was the strongest of that weak group. I'm hoping these early results mean the other NA teams got better while TSM stayed the same, and we'll be more competitive with the korean teams.. but won't really know for awhile.
Yeah TSM won like 6? or so tournaments for points leading up to the world finals, including the NA qualifiers. But that was S2, and they've done really nothing since then. We'll see if they actually turn it around since having this new gaming house/set up and seems like more of an emphasis on practice. Happy for curse though, they deserve some time in the limelight after being pretty much the #4 squad for awhile. Felt bad when they lost to CLG in that season 2 regional finals and ended up 4th, eliminating them from a world series appearance and losing to CLG of all teams.
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People really underestimate yis potential both early and late game. He's extremely good against a lot of typical chars, especially a lot of unusual counterpick tops. He's exceptionally good vs elise in lane, beats most aps, beats ap trynd/teemo rather easily (Meditate + randuin is pretty lol trick). Ive decided to see how far I can get playing mostly yi in ranked, and so far ive made it just short of 1800 elo or so, and I'm still consistently winning most of my games. Even when yi has some trouble in lane, his ability to just farm and force your lane to stay there due to his extremely strong push makes it so i can pretty much always recover, even when ive been counter picked. I've played him in many games where the enemy team stacks cc, and very frequently am forced to lane vs chogath, and have discovered that with a proper build, the idea that yi is vulnerable to cc heavy teams seems to be relatively unfounded.
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One of the reasons AP Yi is popular is because he's so simple and has very, very little build variation (which makes him simpler still), and is somehow even then one of the hardest champs to counterplay properly, because of the sheer power of his simplicity I guess. Almost any champ could get up to Diamond if the player is just good enough (which people have proven) but Yi is certainly one of the easier ones.
Not sure how many of you guys are still playing, but I'm enjoying ranked finally. I'm still in silver but working my way up, if there is anyone who wants to duo I'm more than game. I've played long enough to play just about any position well enough at this level.
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Sidian
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Yeah, Yi is such a pain in the ass mainly because you can't do shit to him while he is alpha striking and if he gets that kill so it resets he just spams that again. Then, you have to save CC for him when he's meditating or else you're never going to kill him, which is usually pretty tough to do because if he's smart he comes in later on in the fight when people are already low on health so you're CDs are most likely down, or you don't really know where he's coming out of his alpha strike to be ready to knock him up / stun him / whatever.
Tbh, I still don't play AP Yi much at all, occasionally if I get him in ARAM I will always go AP. Lately though I've been having too much fun going Jungle Yi with Teleport/Smite and being everywhere + splitpushing like a monster endgame.
Tbh, I still don't play AP Yi much at all, occasionally if I get him in ARAM I will always go AP. Lately though I've been having too much fun going Jungle Yi with Teleport/Smite and being everywhere + splitpushing like a monster endgame.
Friend is trying to get me in to this and I'm interested in it as a long-term competitive game that I can get invested in if I enjoy it but having spent like no time playing MOBA's I'm just wondering which character would be the best as a learner carry (bottom lane if it matters)? I'm seeing some talk of Miss Fortune here, and he suggested it as well, but I also see a lot of people recommend Ashe.
Sidian
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My personal favorite ADC is still Graves. Probably the 2nd tankiest ADC (behind Urgot) that works well with just about every support. Has great burst in lane so if you're better then your opponents you can usually catch them off guard. His E allows him a nice escape, as well as scaling through out the game since it's atk speed. His W (smokescreen) is probably one of the best skills in the entire game, it's pretty crazy it's on an ADC.
Miss Fortune is good, she's a pretty braindead ADC because it's almost just boils down to if you land a good ult in a team fight, you win, if not, you lose. She is a big lane bully though because AA > Q > AA is a good chunk of damage. She's just very good right now because Black Cleaver + Your Ultimate means almost max stacked armor pen on every champion hit by your ult, it's very strong.
Ashe is fine if you have a support that peels for you well. Alistar, Janna, Thresh come to mind. She doesn't have any escapes but an end game Ashe is probably my favorite ADC to have on my team. The arrow initiate in godlike and if she gets a blue and can spam volley every 4 seconds or so it's pretty damn overpowered.
Ezreal, despite all his nerfs recently is still strong just because his mobility. You grab Frozen Fist on him and just kite kite kite. Annoying fucker but works well with all these assassin / bruisers that just train the ADC all day long.
Miss Fortune is good, she's a pretty braindead ADC because it's almost just boils down to if you land a good ult in a team fight, you win, if not, you lose. She is a big lane bully though because AA > Q > AA is a good chunk of damage. She's just very good right now because Black Cleaver + Your Ultimate means almost max stacked armor pen on every champion hit by your ult, it's very strong.
Ashe is fine if you have a support that peels for you well. Alistar, Janna, Thresh come to mind. She doesn't have any escapes but an end game Ashe is probably my favorite ADC to have on my team. The arrow initiate in godlike and if she gets a blue and can spam volley every 4 seconds or so it's pretty damn overpowered.
Ezreal, despite all his nerfs recently is still strong just because his mobility. You grab Frozen Fist on him and just kite kite kite. Annoying fucker but works well with all these assassin / bruisers that just train the ADC all day long.
Well a lot in there makes little sense so far but I'm sure the jargon will come to me as I read up some more and the content itself will give me a few options to play around with by the looks. Guess I should look at MF and Graves to begin with then, look at Ashe in the future once I get some playtime/skill since it seems she is reliant on how good others are and starting out I doubt I'll be able to judge that effectively and Ezreal last of all