League Of Legends

If you are going to play ranked then you need to learn to mute other stupid players or your gameplay will take a nosedive.

And yes, AFK'ers are the worst. Honestly the worst form of life scum. There are actually people who join the game and SIT at fountain all game and just buy a few items to prevent leavebuster from flagging them. I mean why don't you fucking just play the game at that point instead of wasting 20 minutes of every player's lives? These are people that are assholes that find it fun to ruin the game for others. Seriously, they should be perma-banned the first time they do this.

Arbitrary_sl said:

I like him aram for the most part and I've played some games as Viktor support and it almost works? Depending on the match up you can trade damage with his Q pretty well and his Gravity Field is very very good but the rest of him is bleh. Ever since they added Kha'Zix I've thought that they should revamp Viktor to use the exact same system for his upgrades.

And trying to use his laser sucks. It is one of the most effort for least reward skillshots in the game. I hate the thing.

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I think victor support could work if they gave his snare field the augmented range by default. I have actually run with the field augment and it worked pretty well the extra range on it makes it WAY easier to snare/stun groups downside is the augment itself is crappy statwise compared to the death ray one.

Yup his passive is pretty much the best of those types of passives. Zacs is probably the worst and annivia is pretty middle ground aatrox lets him get back up fast cannot be killed while its happening and if somebody is stupid enough to get in melee range when he is in that state he will BLOW YOU UP and eat your health and all the sudden he is now full health weee.

Ya I suppose that is what I was hinting at wording incorrectly myself about Hotshot's comments. It is not mechanically demanding to jungle but the rest of the shit involved is pretty demanding. I was soo happy to see Dlift with Xpecial for the all star...they were dominating and I think should have won but they just slipped up at the end there.

This dude always has a video that relates to the current topic of this thread.



And unrelated but his last one's fucking hilarious.

Just lost two straight games due to 20+ minute start of the game afk'ers. bye bye 38 lp. Makes this game so fun playing ranked, i guess i should be happy i didn't get them during a promo or something though.

The Ancient_sl said:

That's a low silver/bronze mentality. The higher you rise the more wards you see in my experience.

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Sadly this is true, the warding rate and philosophy behind it is terrible at lower levels. It tends to be popular among the lower elo brackets that since the support wards, they should be the ones warding EVERYTHING (regardless of if you're winning or losing, have no map control, etc..) Baron isn't warded? WTF SUPPORT why isn't it warded?! - meanwhile your mid and bot are completely gone, they're warding your jungle, no one is helping to escort you when you go to ward. It's pretty miserable type of stuff. Higher up it becomes more common to grab at least one ward whenever you back, to ward instead of face checking bushes in pursuit of people and so on. Best advice I can really give is to not be too daunted by it, if the retards are getting to you take a break and stop playing because it will probably linger into the next game with you feeling stressed/negative. Also try to politely ask other people to help you ward if they can afford to, if you don't tip toe around certain suggestions people will instantly get offended and it can actually just lead to them throwing/arguing and playing worse.

Draegan_sl said:

As an aside, I hate playing Janna without a good initiator in Normals. I have a great time laning with my friend who is an ADC because we can communicate with each other. But I was playing a game where the "tank" never initiated. Fuck you. I spent like 20 minutes of just clicking around mid lane while the tank was trying to decide if the water was too cold or not. God damn.

Of course, Janna is fucking great when you're playing with at least a good ADC and tank/jungler/mid. It's fun to help control the battle field that way. But when your team is shit, the fact you do no damage and your control is not really taken advantage of, Janna becomes useless and boring to play.

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We discussed this last night; support making a transition to AP in the mid-game of a losing game is just not feasible for a handful of factors:

1) Your team is losing fights, the enemy team has the momentum. This is typically when lower skilled games are inclined to turtle up (or go get caught in their unwarded jungle to hasten the losing process; at higher skill levels your team might be able to find some counterplay with splitpushing but its unlikely you'll see this in your games). If farm pushes close enough to your base for it to be safely farmed, then why isn't your ADC farming it as opposed to a Janna with sightstone, philo, and boots 2?

2) Semi-related to 1, if your bruisers/initiaters are mouthbreathers who lost their lane and don't know how to initiate, its unlikely that they'll know how to peel for the carries either. So, your role is to stay 5 feet away from your ADC and keep him alive as long as possible. You can't go roaming around clearing farm (even if you could, the carries should take it since they'll have a much higher chance of putting bodies on the floor).

3) AP carries function by incredible burst damage. You'll have no where near enough burst damage to 100-0 someone so you really aren't fulfilling a role here whatsover... even an underfarmed ADC is going to outdamage a support-trying-to-be-AP.

Support is not unique in feeling frustrated with a losing team. The jungle/bruiser can be as equally pissed off when it 30minutes and the ADC has 100 CS ensuring every teamfight is a loss due to no team DPS. ADC/support can be pissed off because the bruiser isn't peeling or initiates poorly or not at all. Not every game is winnable, compare the difference between a player winning 50 percent of his games (stagnate on the ladder) to 55 percent (favorable upward trend)... just winning a fraction more of the games is all it takes to rise. That still leaves 45 percent of games where for a myriad of reasons, you will lose. Instead of focusing on ways to save a sinking ship in mid-game as Support, think of ways in which you could have dominated your own lane harder.

1) Download lolreplay, review your games.
2) Make note of every time you could have secured a kill for the ADC but you didn't.
2) Make note of every time you died (thus feeding the enemy lane and starting their snowball).
3) Make note of every time you forgot to ward or forgot to warn your ADC that wards aren't up...

Support is the most relevant in the early game -- unless there is a dramatic skill gap between the ADC/Support, it going to be the support making all the hotshot plays and ensuring bottom lane domination. Transitioning from shitting on bot lane as support and then supporting the TEAM during mid-game is a paradigm shift.

1) You're running timers for objectives: herding your cat teammates into dragon area 30 seconds prior and clearing out enemy wards so you can contest successfully, reminding your jungle that their blue is about to be up and you saw the enemy jungle in that area, sneaking wards into their jungle when you feel like you can do it safely... You're dropping wards as much as you can to give your team every advantage into not throwing the game by being retarded.

edit: Wanted to elaborate on this a little further. Team morale is a HUGE factor in actually winning. Compare/contrast how it looks when the team has zero vision and pings the dragon icon on the map and says ("dragon up, they probably doing it") as opposed to when the support got some warding down there ahead of time and says ("dragon up in 30s and they have no wards"). Winning a mid-game objective fight is positive morale; this is arguably more important than the global gold. Even better if you pinked it ahead of time and THEIR team is the one doing the "oh I just saw dragon spawn lets go face-check it then rage when I get killed and blame support for not warding dragon". These are things that any player on the team can do but the support is usually the best to worry about the strategic factors since they aren't under pressure to CS perfectly.

2) You're watching the lane dynamics on all three lanes and telling your ADC he needs to disengage from the stupid mid-game pokefest at mid and go farm bot really fast.

3) You're watching the items that the other team is building. Oh shit, they have a decently farmed J4 and Lee Sin both rocking 100+ armor? You're telling your ADC he needs to rush Last Whisper and reminding (politely) to your team that they are going to gangbang the carries if the team doesn't help peel them off. Oh shit, they have two decently farmed auto-attackers... is your jungle going Frozen Heart because if not you are rushing the fuck to that item.

A good support is far more than "spam spells on cooldown in teamfight and die"; there are always ways to improve your game and increase the odds of your team winning. And as I pointed out earlier, just winning a few more percentage points of your games is the difference between a player stuck in a division and a player who is climbing the ladder. If you want to carry the game via killing people with your own AP, then you need to play mid and not support.

Happy No Jax Day!

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I disagree completely, provided they actually compete. Let's not pretend that women LoL players don't comprise a significant minority.