League Of Legends

His passive is as useless as a GA is if you're behind - you'll get caught, trigger passive, die when you respawn. The only way Aatrox wins his lane is if he gets to hit minions freely and can break even in trades, so all you have to do is NOT let him do that. His ranged farming is bad and if he maxes his blade thing first then he's useless in teamfights too. People that don't know how to fight new champs lose to new champs, news at 11.

I already mentioned it, but if they nerf anything, it would probably be his Q CD, since it seems a bit low with no CDR. The other route they could go is nerf his sustain from W and IAS from his passive, since all that really does at this point is snowball a winning Aatrox harder, it doesn't do shit if you're losing your lane since your passive will never be full and you're lucky to get 1-2 procs of W off a whole wave if your opponent is zoning you correctly.

He's certainly not a BAD champ. But OP to the point that he wins his lane easy as that? No way. There's tons of common top laners that can easily counter him. Lee Sin, Nasus, Tryndamere just of the ones I've beaten him with. Aatrox does counter some other top laners that people like to play though, like Singed and Elise.

Elo hell?

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So.. they just released the Oceanic servers as betas, no normal queues or ranked, just bots and custom games. Dropped from 300ms to 90ms. I cannot believe just how much difference there was in the ability to do something as simple as last hit.

Luminati_sl said:

Like most champs its hard to tell if one is op unless ur at a rather high skill level. Aatrox is 100% op and will absolutely see a nerf. His sustain is enormous. His q is like a malph ult and he can dish out a lot of damage. Ive played like 5 games with him and am already dominating diamond solo q

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How are you building him? What is your summoner name?

Personally from what I've seen is that Aatrox is just a crappier version of Tryndamere. He's ok but certainly not OP. He's pretty much hard countered by ignite and morellominicon.

Some of you guys make me want to play Heimer, hah.

Any suggestions for a build order for Kass? Most of the build orders I've seen and tried are coming from peeps with full masteries and runes and I think my problem is the lack of the bonus damage for early game since typical progression is Tear+Catalyst into Rod and Staff with boots tossed in at some point. I was playing with someone and they suggested Dorans Ring with pots and that seems ok.

Thoughts?

Can never go wrong with Doran's while you are learning the champ/leveling/playing lower tiers. Never buy more than 2 of them though.

Don't be afraid to last hit with your abilities as kass.

Yah CS and objectives are how you win this game. Global objectives for team gold advantage and high CS for personal advantage. 15 CS is worth roughly 1 kill on a champion with a normal bounty. I've won plenty of lanes and by extension games where my opponent is 2-0 or 2-1 and I'm 0-1 or 0-0 because my cs at 20 minutes is 150+ and his was 85-100.

It's one of the reasons I think Soraka is an underrated champ. Sure you aren't going to be a kill lane bot, but she can zone like a boss.

Fawe_sl said:

Can never go wrong with Dorans. Kass is mana hungry so Tear+Catalyst is the primary items to strive for. Going Tear will always set you behind in damage early on but Kass is a mid-late game champ anyway. Looking at your match history, I can't recommend anything to change atm. You are on a nice win streak, keep it up.

Edit: Your CS is quite low, work on last hitting better. You are ~100 cs in a ~30min game, that's very poor. You average 90 CS per game over your last 10 games. That's abysmal. Work on this and you will gain items & power much quicker.

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Yeah my CS is god awful, but there are a few contributing factors (these aren't excuses because I need practice).
1) I started playing the game as support and only recently starting playing a bit of mid. I haven't been CSing for long.
2) I haven't consistently been playing one character, so I'm often getting used to new champs.
3) I've been playing with level 30s with high MMR. So last night I went mid with Kass against an Akali with 800 wins. Another game with Leblanc with 1000 wins. They zoned the fuck out of me. I like it this way. Yes I have harder games where I get stomped, but I learn so much more than going up against other newbies. I was also retarded and didn't have smart cast on my abilities. NOOBFAIL.
4) I've been getting used to Kass so I'm getting used to CSing with a melee champ with low damage. This leads me to believe that I need more AP to start out of the gate due to not having full masteries/runes (I have no runes) at level 13. The more AP I have the easier last hitting will be with Kass. Because right now my timing is off. I'm often leaving like 5hps left on a minion and a creep is getting the last hit. I'm thinking that if I have more damage, I can last hit sooner and actually get that cs.

When I was playing some TF games I was doing better.

But yeah, my CS is crap right now. Not only do I need to last hit better, I need to know when to move out of lane and assist other lanes.

My only excuse is one game last night I had a Singed that just kept wandering into my mid lane stealing my cs where I just started jungling as Kass which was almost useless.

Don't forget that Kassadins W helps a lot with last hitting, especially early game when you're most likely stuck under your tower trying to farm. I know with W up you can kill melees after 2 tower hits and you can kill ranged after 1 tower hit. If you're W isn't active you usually won't have enough AD to do that. Kassadin really is one of those champions that you will usually be pushed back to your tower until level 6. Once you get your Ult you can play a lot more aggressive or just farm easier with that and your E, but until then it's usually pretty tough for him to push.

One little tip you might not know that is Kassadin's E has a deceptively long cast range. I swear it goes a whole lot longer then the spell actually shows, get use to it though because then you can R > E > Q an enemy from the farthest away possible and walk away without taking much (if any) damage at all.

Also, what summoners are you taking? Most usually take Ignite/Flash just for the lane dominance but Teleport/Flash can work well too. Running teleport also makes you watch your mini-map more often (at least for me it does) because you should constantly be scanning it to see if you have an opportunity to teleport into bot or top for a kill.

Fawe_sl said:

Why are you playing against players with so many more wins? Are you duoing?

Runes/Masteries will make a huge difference and your opponent will certainly stomp the shit out of you if they are level 30 with full books.

To help last hitting you could opt to put 2 points in the "Butcher" mastery. You could also opt to buy a Doran's blade (not recommended in most cases). The Butcher mastery alone should help a lot. I see your point about learning faster when facing experienced opponents but it can also be bad in the fact you'll almost never be able to win your lane due to the handicap you've given yourself. You aren't able to harass or cs properly, you are being relegated to farming at your turret or not at all.

More AP won't necessarily help with your early game farming (with autoattacks), you need +atk. Later on once you get items you can easily clear minion waves with your abilities. Kass is excellent at clearing waves, you should be able to rack up 200+ cs easily in 30minute games.

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I'm often playing with Eidal (and one or two other people) from here and he's baller. I enjoy playing with others on mumble than solo q'd. Yeah Kass is great mid to late game once you can get your E charged up and you have enough AP to make your ulti do decent damage. Yes and I use my W quite a bit when CSing early game.

Re; Kass's E range - Yeah I noticed that last night, it's like double it's spell effect.

I'm running ignite/flash right now.

9 leavers in a row during selection today...That shit is annoying. Wasted over 30 minutes!

Brand_sl said:

9 leavers in a row during selection today...That shit is annoying. Wasted over 30 minutes!

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This is actually why I have such a hard time playing draft normals. They are better practice for ranked than just random normal blind queue, but there are SO many dodgers. Moreso than even ranked - since the punishment is really not a big deal in comparison. At least in ranked you lose some LP / lose a game in your promo, in a normal it's like a 15 minute wait. And people would rather wait then god forbid might have a counter pick lane or something.. so frustrating.