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Pharone

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You're right. It is just content for max level characters. There's really nothing in this expansion for anybody that isn't max level. The only upside would be getting a valar boost to level 150 for one of your characters, but then you miss a ton of great content jumping to level 150.
Like I've told my kinship earlier today, I honestly would recommend the last expansion (Corsairs of Umbar) over this expansion. You get a whole new playable class (the mariner), a valar level boost to 140 (so you can enjoy the content from 140-150 in the expansion), and some really nice cosmetics as well as cool looking mounts. The Corsairs of Umbar expansion is a hands down better bang for you buck than Legacy of Morgath.

I would hold off on buying Legacy of Morgath until you get a character level 150 to play through it, and by then, it will probably be on sale.
 
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Hunter is now lvl 111. Current thoughts on things:

The content has been good but definitely felt quite a bit disjointed after Rohan at lvl 95 or so. As fluid as Rohan was, Gondor felt the complete opposite. I ended up outleveling it probably two-thirds the way through and skipped the last couple of zones entirely. Found my way to Tuar Druadan (terrible zone) and Beacon Hills (a little better) before stumbling a path into North Illien (another terrible zone) and The Wastes (better).

Now I'm in Mordor. And as much as I love the theme of Mordor, the design and layout of it all is a bit rough. A bit too much running back and forth across the map for quests, turn ins, etc for my taste. I get it - it's Mordor. It's supposed to be this way. But the fun factor just isn't matching up, IMO. I'm curious if there are other areas to XP in at this level?

I'm still disappointed in crafting. Specifically, the importance of it, or lack thereof. Outside of crafting early level gear for alts, what's the point? Even things like class books and potions have minimal value due to the mob encounters being fairly trivial. I am keeping my professions maxxed as I go because 1) gathering is easy to do while XPing and 2) because I don't want to find out that the later stages do have meaningful value, forcing me to then go back and get them caught up.

At 110, I got introduced to something called an Allegiance system however, they don't really give much detail on it. Or even how I'm actually supposed to pick one. Is this a system I should still be paying attention to in the current game or should I not even bother with it and just keep leveling?

My LM is lvl 59. Still fun to play as red and a bit more of a challenge due to her squishiness. Total glass cannon. Unlike my hunter playthrough, I only did the first portion of Lothlorien and skipped Myrkwood completely, bringing her to Enedwaith instead. Will move her to Dunland and then eventually to Great River to begin Rohan.
 

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What difficulty are you playing on? I've seen people talking in global chat about how important crafted gear is when you're playing at higher difficulty levels. I play on +3 and haven't found that to be the case, but I could see if you're on +6 or whatever, keeping yourself equipped with the highest craftable gear being important.
 

Vinjin

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What difficulty are you playing on? I've seen people talking in global chat about how important crafted gear is when you're playing at higher difficulty levels. I play on +3 and haven't found that to be the case, but I could see if you're on +6 or whatever, keeping yourself equipped with the highest craftable gear being important.
I'm +3 as well. I'd probably play higher if there was more incentive to do it.
 

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1) To reiterate, there is so much world to LOTRO that over-leveling is the rule, not the exception, and thus consumables aren't going to be needed before max level. Even at max level, they're basically like WoW Lich King flasks - required for raids, handy to have on hand for dungeons, but by no means necessary for daily wizard chores.

2) Professions are useful with raid / dungeon dropped recipes, but ignorable the rest of the time. But as you've already figured out, since you have to complete prior expansion tiers to level the current expansion tier, you may as well knock them out while you go. Then again, my main has always had Forestry and Mining, which gets you metal, wood, and hides for all my alts, with only a city alt needed for farming to complete all harvestable materials, so maxing out all tradeskills was little effort.

3) Allegiances had a ton of sidequests attached to them in Mordor, but Umbar's are just rep rewards with extra steps. The rest of the expansions didn't feature them. For Mordor, you'll get a wrapper quest that walks you through the steps once you progress far enough in Mordor. Umbar was clunkier, with them unlocking once you had done certain dailies enough times to complete a deed... but you can just hit your allegiance keybind (check your keybinds for what the default is) to start throwing items at it.

4) Sounds like you're in phase hell, where (for example) Minas TIrith has a pre-war, mid-Battle, post-war, and wedding phase. Fortunately they learned their lesson from that, and most phases from that point on were different zones with different geography... until Umbar reused Gondor again for a third of its landmass. (You can probably directly figure out when they historically had budget /staffing constraints just from the amount of terrain reuse.) That said, I didn't play many of those areas until I wasn't absurdly over-levelled for them, so I can't give you a level appropriate path.
 
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Vinjin

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Well fuck me running! I just checked the difficulty setting for all my toons, which I had set quite awhile back. All were set to +3 with one exception - my main Hunter who for some reason was only set to +1.

I don't recall doing that intentionally but maybe I did and just forgot. Regardless, I immediately hit Bree and changed it to +3 before recalling back to my spot in Mordor. Ran out to the nearest mobs I could find and engaged with two yellow con normal mobs, promptly dying in the process. LOL

Not sure why I didn't think to check earlier but definitely a game-changer. Literally.
 

Vinjin

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Got vectored into a zone called Lhingris. Instant regret. Spiders every-fucking-where!

I hate spiders. I'm especially not enjoying this long ass quest chain my boy Legolas has me on to track down a spider queen lieutenant of Shelob.
 

Pharone

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Got vectored into a zone called Lhingris. Instant regret. Spiders every-fucking-where!

I hate spiders. I'm especially not enjoying this long ass quest chain my boy Legolas has me on to track down a spider queen lieutenant of Shelob.
If you are not doing The Black Book of Mordor at the same time, you will be sent back to those same places when you do. I found that out the hard way.

Keep going back to Mitrhidir at the Black Gate and progress through the Black Book of Mordor while doing your other Mordor quests, so you don't have to do the same places over again. And, yes, he will send you back to Minas Tirrith. Don't worry. It's just a pitstop and back to Mordor you go.
 

Pharone

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Finished up The Black Book of Mordor chapters 4 and 5 in this stream. Huge spoilers. Don't watch if you don't want to know.

Also, at the beginning of the stream, I bought and opened the Ultimate Fan Bundle of the new expansion, Legacy of Morgoth. Some funny moments in there where I look at the truly broken stuff you get for $129. Some good stuff too, but it's marred by the broken crap. You'd expect way better for $129.
 

Vinjin

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If you are not doing The Black Book of Mordor at the same time, you will be sent back to those same places when you do. I found that out the hard way.

Keep going back to Mitrhidir at the Black Gate and progress through the Black Book of Mordor while doing your other Mordor quests, so you don't have to do the same places over again. And, yes, he will send you back to Minas Tirrith. Don't worry. It's just a pitstop and back to Mordor you go.
I am. Currently on Chapters 3.2 and 3.3. I had toyed with only doing the epic/BB quest chains in this area but decided to take on some of the surrounding side quests (like Legolas' one mentioned above) to help move the XP bar.
 

Pharone

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In all honesty, I have enjoyed Mordor for the most part. I had always heard that people didn't like it, but to me its been a pretty decent expansion. Tons of new area, cool looking mobs, interesting story lines, and some of the best indoor open dungeons I have seen in a while.

The one thing I did that I highly suggest to anyone doing Mordor content is to buy the mote gear at level 112 and/or 115 out there. It boosts your Light of Ellerian (spelling?) by a ton and makes the whole shadow vs light mechanic a non issue. My light/shadow gauge stays 100% light the whole time no matter where I am because my LoE stat is so high. Plus at least one of those armor sets looks wicked cool. I think it was the Mordor Bane or something like that. I added it to one of my costume sets I use.
 

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In all honesty, I have enjoyed Mordor for the most part. I had always heard that people didn't like it, but to me its been a pretty decent expansion. Tons of new area, cool looking mobs, interesting story lines, and some of the best indoor open dungeons I have seen in a while.

The one thing I did that I highly suggest to anyone doing Mordor content is to buy the mote gear at level 112 and/or 115 out there. It boosts your Light of Ellerian (spelling?) by a ton and makes the whole shadow vs light mechanic a non issue. My light/shadow gauge stays 100% light the whole time no matter where I am because my LoE stat is so high. Plus at least one of those armor sets looks wicked cool. I think it was the Mordor Bane or something like that. I added it to one of my costume sets I use.

I subbed to help you out. One day if this game doesn't shut down I'll play this game maybe.
 
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Like I've told my kinship earlier today, I honestly would recommend the last expansion (Corsairs of Umbar) over this expansion. You get a whole new playable class (the mariner), a valar level boost to 140 (so you can enjoy the content from 140-150 in the expansion), and some really nice cosmetics as well as cool looking mounts. The Corsairs of Umbar expansion is a hands down better bang for you buck than Legacy of Morgath.

I would hold off on buying Legacy of Morgath until you get a character level 150 to play through it, and by then, it will probably be on sale.

So if I buy one of these expacs to get a store horse and other goodies, some of the items only work on the first char you log in on right? Is this spelled out anywhere? Not sure I know what I'm going to play.

I ended up using the lossless scaling app on 1920x1080, it leaves black bars on my UW monitor but is ok for now. I have been thinking about buying a nicer true 4k monitor and retiring this one to secondary status anyway, which I might do at some point.
 

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Have a couple of friends wanting to play that have no experience with the game. How friendly is this for complete noobs? I played the original game and they are long term EQ players. Not sure how friendly this would be for 3 people starting from complete scratch.
 
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I just started this game fresh after the legacy servers were announced. I have to say that 95% of the people I run across are very helpful with questions I have or advice that they want to share.
 
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Have a couple of friends wanting to play that have no experience with the game. How friendly is this for complete noobs? I played the original game and they are long term EQ players. Not sure how friendly this would be for 3 people starting from complete scratch.

Here's my experience since I decided to try it again this weekend.

It's very friendly in some senses and unfriendly in others. The default world difficulty is faceroll. It's an experience meant to showcase the story and the world, but you can up the difficulty if you want. The world feels a bit sandboxy just because there's so much content, it's huge. The community is overly friendly. So from the perspective of a seasoned gamer, it's very friendly to have whatever experience you want. The world I'm on is busy enough to see people everywhere. It feels busier than a wow server aside from Tuesdays. Your character partakes in heroism but isn't the main character.

On the neutral side is the age and style of game. There's a ton of text and it often matters. It's old and the map is pretty bad so you have to actually search for things. The UI is clean and functional but dated. It's F2P so realistically some spending is required to not waste your time. There's so many expansions and new systems that it's very complex if you try to understand everything before just jumping in. Some of these may be good or bad depending on your taste.

Then there's the unfriendly things. You have to work around scaling issues on 1440p/4k monitors to read anything. Some of the classes and stats are fairly opaque, and the community while friendly doesn't produce the sheer volume of tutorial/guide content that exists for other games. There's a lot of retracing your steps. The normal servers still on 32bit servers lag periodically. The combat is thoroughly mid. You will get frustrated if you want modern guided tour experience and no longer have the patience for a true game.

Overall I think it's in a better spot than years passed when I tried it (literally since launch, every 3-5 years...). You do have to be prepared to be transported not just to Middle Earth, but also into the sometimes plodding tediousness of Tolkien which expresses itself often. The best thing about this game though is how traditional it all feels, both in how the world exists as itself outside of existing just for the player's convenience and how little modern woke trash has infected it so far. Tolkien is also relatively low fantasy, which I appreciate. It's a great chill game, especially with a group, IF you are into the lore.
 
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Pharone

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So if I buy one of these expacs to get a store horse and other goodies, some of the items only work on the first char you log in on right? Is this spelled out anywhere? Not sure I know what I'm going to play.

I ended up using the lossless scaling app on 1920x1080, it leaves black bars on my UW monitor but is ok for now. I have been thinking about buying a nicer true 4k monitor and retiring this one to secondary status anyway, which I might do at some point.
Yeah on there is a complete list of what you get and such on the sales page.

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This from the Corsairs of Umbar Ultimate Fan Bundle version. All the items with a single * by them are 1 per account. Everything else will be on every character. so, your mounts will be on every character.
 
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Yeah on there is a complete list of what you get and such on the sales page.

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This from the Corsairs of Umbar Ultimate Fan Bundle version. All the items with a single * by them are 1 per account. Everything else will be on every character. so, your mounts will be on every character.

Ah gotcha thank you
 

Pharone

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Have a couple of friends wanting to play that have no experience with the game. How friendly is this for complete noobs? I played the original game and they are long term EQ players. Not sure how friendly this would be for 3 people starting from complete scratch.
The first 50 levels are insanely easy to pick up and play. For that matter, the whole game is easy to play.

Starting with the Mines of Moria expansion at level 50, they introduce more complex systems. In particular, you get your Legendary Items (2 per class) at the start of Mines of Moria. These are a weapon and a class item (2 inventory slots), and you will use them for the rest of the game. The LI (Legendary Item) system is very complex and I highly suggest watching a video or two on it. Basically the LI system is a item-based trait tree so to speak. You will be customizing and upgrading it for the rest of the game.

Beyond that, there is the class trait trees and the virtue system.

Long story short, an experienced EQ player will have no trouble playing Lotro, but as they approach the end game, there are some complex systems they can dive in to and get the most out of the game.

That all being said, I try to tell people that Lotro is a very different experience than any other MMORPG on the market. In Lotro, the journey is the game where as in other MMORPGs, the destination (end game) is the game.

You do yourself a huge disservice by racing to end game in Lotro. Reading the quest dialogues and enjoying all the stories is 90% of what makes Lotro such an amazing game.
 
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Pharone

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Ah gotcha thank you
This is one of the things about Lotro that I 100% love compared to how EQ does their expansions. In EQ, you get to claim your ultimate awesome mount/item on ONE character, and that's it. Ever go to another server, and you're screwed out of that super expensive item. In Lotro, your super cool stuff like mounts/items from expansions go on every existing and new character you create from that time forward.

I can't tell you how much it irks me that my super expensive stuff is scattered across numerous character and server on EQ. So much wasted money.