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Lumi's Batshit Insane Thread
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Guest, it's time once again for the massively important and exciting FoH Asshat Tournament!
Go here and give us your nominations!Who's been the biggest Asshat in the last year? Give us your worst ones!
Itlan
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Anyone who willingly plays HotS is clearly suicidal. Just do it, bro.
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jayrebb
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If you posted in the MMO section, the leaks I delivered on various games were 110% accurate and everything I said was accurate, down to the letter, regarding Age of Conan.
Soygen is quite possibly a pro-vaccine nut, one who doesn't even believe in delayed schedules. I figure this because Void is essentially the textbook definition of ignorant, and he stands in solidarity with him despite very real concerns about vaccine production and cost cutting being raised. I think that speaks to who the Lumie doubters are-- without my word even needing to be called into question.
Is such a thing as lingering bitterness about Vanguard possible? I think it is. *history channel .gif*
Soygen is quite possibly a pro-vaccine nut, one who doesn't even believe in delayed schedules. I figure this because Void is essentially the textbook definition of ignorant, and he stands in solidarity with him despite very real concerns about vaccine production and cost cutting being raised. I think that speaks to who the Lumie doubters are-- without my word even needing to be called into question.
Is such a thing as lingering bitterness about Vanguard possible? I think it is. *history channel .gif*
jayrebb
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I mean I'm not completely oblivious either, I understand how just one backer might not be enough for some people-- and again, with my word not even needing to be called into question.
Take it or leave it. My explanation on the phenomenon and accusations is that Lumie just doesn't care to have certain discussions anymore, whether due to smoking less weed/more weed, or simply garnering less enjoyment from proselytizing-- he's done what everyone else has done on this forum, which is rein in his efforts. You know, shifts and adjustments in give-and-take. I know I have in the last 10 years.
Look at this thread for example, its filled with just shades of arguments because of trolls. But the politics thread speaks more to the current state of affairs than anything in 2017.
So I don't see why its so difficult to believe?
Take it or leave it. My explanation on the phenomenon and accusations is that Lumie just doesn't care to have certain discussions anymore, whether due to smoking less weed/more weed, or simply garnering less enjoyment from proselytizing-- he's done what everyone else has done on this forum, which is rein in his efforts. You know, shifts and adjustments in give-and-take. I know I have in the last 10 years.
Look at this thread for example, its filled with just shades of arguments because of trolls. But the politics thread speaks more to the current state of affairs than anything in 2017.
So I don't see why its so difficult to believe?
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jayrebb
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If they can examine PM's, they can take it or leave it.
I haven't even verified myself and know very little about the process. But I do know a forum search of jayrebb only turned up one or two threads out of a few thousand posts, so it seems the backup was done shortly before/after I requested account termination due to moderation disagreement. Unless of course the search function is incomplete, we seemed to have lost a lot of Golden Age stuff.
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I'm pro vaccine too... but more importantly, pro cayenne pepper!
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hodj
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Clearly a fake lumie.
Also lol
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There is no need for delayed schedules. All anti-vaccine nonsense was begun with one discredited study by one discredited pseudo scientist who is now unemployable due to his fabrication and falsification of data in said study.
So no, responsible, intelligent adults who understand the science do not "believe in" delayed schedules because there is no scientific evidence that vaccines cause long term harm to the vast majority of the population and we accept (read: don't just "believe" but actually know) that the science is sound and vaccines have saved literally billions of lives that would have otherwise been lost.
1 out of every 2 children under the age of 5 died before the age of vaccines, retard. 1 out of every 2.
Also lol
jayrebb
saying There is no need for delayed schedules. All anti-vaccine nonsense was begun with one discredited study by one discredited pseudo scientist who is now unemployable due to his fabrication and falsification of data in said study.
So no, responsible, intelligent adults who understand the science do not "believe in" delayed schedules because there is no scientific evidence that vaccines cause long term harm to the vast majority of the population and we accept (read: don't just "believe" but actually know) that the science is sound and vaccines have saved literally billions of lives that would have otherwise been lost.
1 out of every 2 children under the age of 5 died before the age of vaccines, retard. 1 out of every 2.
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jayrebb
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I am talking about 18 months, 2 years if you want to get extreme. How does your big sourceless fact of 1 out of every 2 children died before the ages of vaccines matter? This isn't the pre-vaccine age, disease is not as prevalent, people can benefit from herd immunity, not to mention segregated lifestyles and changes in diet-- are you still building wheels with stone, you stupid ass monkey?
Its 2017.
Is a fact like this even relevant? Sleep on it kid, don't want to work you too hard. * flicks toothpick*
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hodj
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You are talking out of your ass about shit you don't understand.
1 out of every 2 children dying before the age of 5 isn't a sourceless fact, that is a fact of demographic reality that is well documented in the anthropological literature. Like I said. You're talking out of your ass about things you don't even understand.
Child Mortality
In 1800 the health conditions of our ancestors were such that 43% of the world’s newborns died before their 5th birthday. These estimates are shown in the visualisation below.
In the time series plot below I show child mortality over the long run. Today child mortality in industrialized countries is below 5 per 1,000 live births. The time series plot shows that these low mortality rates are a very recent development, and in pre-modern countries child mortality rates were between 300 and 500 per 1,000 live births.
Child Mortality
This is a very recent development and was only reached after a hundredfold decline in child mortality in these countries. In early-modern times, child mortality was very high; in 18th century Sweden every third child died, and in 19th century Germany every second child died. With declining poverty and increasing knowledge and service in the health sector, child mortality around the world is declining very rapidly: Global child mortality fell from 18.2% in 1960 to 4.3% in 2015; while 4.3% is still too high, this is a substantial achievement.
With dipshits like you, it will be again soon. Do you think these diseases just don't exist anymore, you fucking moron? No, the reason children don't die to them is because our healthcare is better, including vaccines, and our nutrition is better.
Just shut the fuck up. People like you, who live in ignorance so profound you can't possibly even fathom what you don't know, are an embarassment to humanity.
The diseases are just as prevalent, THE VACCINES ARE WHAT KEEPS THEM FROM KILLING PEOPLE and when you don't vaccinate your children properly you are FUCKING HERD IMMUNITY.
Seriously. Shut the fuck up.
1 out of every 2 children dying before the age of 5 isn't a sourceless fact, that is a fact of demographic reality that is well documented in the anthropological literature. Like I said. You're talking out of your ass about things you don't even understand.
Child Mortality
In 1800 the health conditions of our ancestors were such that 43% of the world’s newborns died before their 5th birthday. These estimates are shown in the visualisation below.
In the time series plot below I show child mortality over the long run. Today child mortality in industrialized countries is below 5 per 1,000 live births. The time series plot shows that these low mortality rates are a very recent development, and in pre-modern countries child mortality rates were between 300 and 500 per 1,000 live births.
Child Mortality
This is a very recent development and was only reached after a hundredfold decline in child mortality in these countries. In early-modern times, child mortality was very high; in 18th century Sweden every third child died, and in 19th century Germany every second child died. With declining poverty and increasing knowledge and service in the health sector, child mortality around the world is declining very rapidly: Global child mortality fell from 18.2% in 1960 to 4.3% in 2015; while 4.3% is still too high, this is a substantial achievement.
With dipshits like you, it will be again soon. Do you think these diseases just don't exist anymore, you fucking moron? No, the reason children don't die to them is because our healthcare is better, including vaccines, and our nutrition is better.
Just shut the fuck up. People like you, who live in ignorance so profound you can't possibly even fathom what you don't know, are an embarassment to humanity.
The diseases are just as prevalent, THE VACCINES ARE WHAT KEEPS THEM FROM KILLING PEOPLE and when you don't vaccinate your children properly you are FUCKING HERD IMMUNITY.
Seriously. Shut the fuck up.
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hodj
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For 1800 (red line), you see that the countries on the very left – Yemen, India, and others that are not labelled – had a child mortality rate higher than 50%. Every second child died before the age of 5. On the very right of the red line you see that in 1800 the best-off countries in the world had a child mortality rate higher than 30%: Every third child died in the countries with the best health.
Child Mortality
So yeah, you're a fucking moron. Dunning Kruger effect, Jayrebb, look it up. You are defining it right now. So ignorant of the facts here that you don't even know what you don't know.
Child Mortality
So yeah, you're a fucking moron. Dunning Kruger effect, Jayrebb, look it up. You are defining it right now. So ignorant of the facts here that you don't even know what you don't know.
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“Herd Immunity”: A Rough Guide | Clinical Infectious Diseases | Oxford Academic
Though coined almost a century ago [8], the term “herd immunity” was not widely used until recent decades, its use stimulated by the increasing use of vaccines, discussions of disease eradication, and analyses of the costs and benefits of vaccination programs. An important milestone was the recognition by Smith in 1970 [9] and Dietz in 1975 [10] of a simple threshold theorem—that if immunity (ie, successful vaccination) were delivered at random and if members of a population mixed at random, such that on average each individual contacted R0 individuals in a manner sufficient to transmit the infection [11, 12], then incidence of the infection would decline if the proportion immune exceeded (R0 − 1)/R0, or 1 –1/R0. This is illustrated in Figures 1 and 2.
So when you idiots don't vaccinate your fucking kids, what you are doing is fucking up the Smith and Dietz equation and reducing the proportion of immune people in the population, thereby directly fucking up the very "herd immunity" concept you're appealing to as justification for not vaccinating your fucking little wretched offspring, you dumb fucking cunt.
Though coined almost a century ago [8], the term “herd immunity” was not widely used until recent decades, its use stimulated by the increasing use of vaccines, discussions of disease eradication, and analyses of the costs and benefits of vaccination programs. An important milestone was the recognition by Smith in 1970 [9] and Dietz in 1975 [10] of a simple threshold theorem—that if immunity (ie, successful vaccination) were delivered at random and if members of a population mixed at random, such that on average each individual contacted R0 individuals in a manner sufficient to transmit the infection [11, 12], then incidence of the infection would decline if the proportion immune exceeded (R0 − 1)/R0, or 1 –1/R0. This is illustrated in Figures 1 and 2.
So when you idiots don't vaccinate your fucking kids, what you are doing is fucking up the Smith and Dietz equation and reducing the proportion of immune people in the population, thereby directly fucking up the very "herd immunity" concept you're appealing to as justification for not vaccinating your fucking little wretched offspring, you dumb fucking cunt.
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jayrebb
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Thanks for making my point for me. Say hello to the 18th Century ya vaccine blowhard.
Herd immunity is obviously always going to be a part of the discussion, and its actually to my benefit here-- as its becoming more and more difficult to argue that privileged middle-class families need to risk vaccine injury to the developing infant brain due to segregated communities and suburban lifestyle.
The vaccine schedule has always been evaluated through the lens of WHATS AN ACCEPTABLE RISK FOR THE GREATER GOOD. The risks are different depending on your risk factors, wow imagine that. Herd immunity only helps make the argument for the option of a delayed schedule for certain select individuals.
Its not possible to argue otherwise and sound reasonable, as you said diet, lifestyle, and medical care have all drastically changed. Herd immunity is just a theory anyway, I guess you believe in Santa Claus too. This is one of the pro-vaccine nuts on display here folks. Doesn't believe in reasonable vaccine safety reforms.
You didn't even address any of the issues of production methods of modern vaccines, or their inherent needless safety risk due to the way our government works, opting to hide behind the ol' VACCINATE OR DIE Islam-esque age 15th Century Moor philosophy in the Iberian peninsula. You're a fucking blowhard vaccine bully using speculative data and fear tactics, plain and simple. Shoehorning data and trying to make it sound like its emergent or in any way at all related to the issues of vaccinating too early. Whens the last time you saw the inside of a classroom? 16, before you dropped out? You're so pro-vaccine and pro-government its obnoxious.
Behold a guy who never raised his hand and asked any questions, folks.
Still waiting for proof of your claim that you will face utter destruction if you don't vaccine before the age of 18-24 months.
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