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Royal

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That was one of the better episodes of the last couple of seasons. You knew the whole time that they were trying to cobble together the Cali plan that it wasn't going to work out because it would have just come off as to repetitive to finish out the series like that. "We've done it before." isn't how a series as great as this one should close, not as often as they've done it. What stung was seeing the wheels come off the way they did with Don in the middle of a pitch, in his element (well, his element apart from booze and ass), getting shut down out of sheer disinterest. Then the looks on their faces after the plumb accounts had been dropped in their laps like it was Christmas; they wanted what they had lost way more than what they were getting.

And Pete finally doing right by Peggy at the last and for as high minded a reason as I think he is probably capable of.
 

Tenks

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It seems shocking to me that Pete is the character who has seemed to of grown up the most. He started as an annoying power hungry wanna-be womanizer and now he's actually a pretty good human being.
 

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I was surprised at pete myself. Not this episode, but how they managed to salvage the character. After the first few seasons, he was pretty solidly entrenched in "That's just shitty Pete being shitty". But then they spent a season on him and he became less shitty. It's not that they redeemed him. That would have been cheesy and easy enough to do. It was the way that they managed to make you actually give a damn about Pete beyond him being just the snobby foil for Don to react against.

That took some actual chops to pull that off. There were so many ways they could have ruined Pete. And yeah, he's one of the characters with the most depth in the show. And I mean, THAT'S FUCKING ODD. Cause it's not that any of them are shallow.

I mean he's still a dipshit and everything. But you go from cheering when pete gets punched in the damn face to... well, he's really not that bad of a guy ya know... he's just kind of a shit.
 

Tenks

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It almost felt like Trudy was kicking around the idea of wanting Pete back in her life. Not sure if Pete wants her, though.
 

Slaythe

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Echo everything said about Pete. It's almost like he's at this moment where he's reached this point of resignation and that makes the viewer sort of feel sorry for him.

I saw an article a couple weeks back (was it here? I don't think so) about how they trim back his hairline in every season of the show. It's pretty extreme right now, but just a good way to show just how sad of a dude he is.
 

Royal

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It almost felt like Trudy was kicking around the idea of wanting Pete back in her life. Not sure if Pete wants her, though.
Yeah I forgot to mention that. I was getting the same vibe, that they might send Pete out with a chance at a do-over with Trudy.
 

Royal

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I saw an article a couple weeks back (was it here? I don't think so) about how they trim back his hairline in every season of the show. It's pretty extreme right now, but just a good way to show just how sad of a dude he is.
They really pack on the middle age flab on him as well. He was on Inside the Actors Studio a few weeks ago with the rest of the cast for the series ending and the guy is practically a stick figure in real life.
 

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I think that last episode was almost as good as The Suitcase one. Don checking his call service from his empty apartment, Rodger losing his "name", Pete getting on the next 70' manhood level, Peggy cunting the cunt, Lou being the huge asshole he is. Trudy, Joan, Ken. So many great acting and scenes. So many feels.

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Rengak

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So I guess Don is just going to keep driving west to California after he drops off that hitchhiker in St. Paul.
 

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I have no idea what kind of a conclusion that they are going to come to in 2 more episodes but it looks like McCann-Erickson bringing them in house is going to be a huge bust. I hope Peggy at least has a decent ending. I was halfway expecting both Roger and Don to jump out a window the whole episode.
 

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I had to google who Diane was mid episode thinking it was some old fling in Don's past. I thought we were past the waitress thing.

Great episode all around though. The scene with Peggy and the creepy organ music ending up being Roger and not part of the score was great.
 

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I think Peggy is going to be the only one from SC&P to make it at McCann. Everyone else is going to bail.
 

Royal

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That's pretty much how I see it, if by "making it" you mean that she comes out better in the long run than if she hadn't. Harry will probably stay there also, though he might not have thought about the down side to being one face in the crowd while he was gloating to Roger. Ted will probably stay until he get's all of his money. The same for Pete.
 

iannis

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God, after watching that one -I- wanted to jump out of a window.

Edit: all the seniors will quit, and that'll be that. I mean they are all rich. My guess is the next 2 episodes are just how they quit. And peggy might settle in. I actually expect peggy to get fucked.
 

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goddamn the whole episode

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the stuff that happened to joan was so fucked up, every dude at the big company was basically a huge slime ball to her and in the end she had to take 50% or risk it all, and nobody had her back. although her calling in a hitman on turd ferguson woulda been hilarious. sadly joan's boyfriend prediction came 100% true just not in the way we thought. she got threatened by lawyers and roger was the guy that got sent in to make her take the deal.

roger and peggy was gold though, they are so awesome together. i really, really, really wanted to see more ghost Bert too that hallucination was the shit

and yeah harry, pete, and the other creative director will all thrive at mcann. Reading the real McCann twitter is kinda... weird
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Joan's finding out that S.C. was actually a family, and then men around her have actually been flawed but very kind, aside from Harry, and season 1 Pete. She's in the shark tank now, and really sees what a group of vile, disgusting men actually look like, in a soulless, giant company. I think that's why she was being nice to Don, finally, after shitting on him for the last 15 episodes; despite his flaws, he's actually a very kind person. When Cutler was tearing the agency apart, Joan should have been loyal to her team, she could have saved that "family"--that special place full of people who weren't animals. But she was part of the force that pushed them into this new paradigm (money money money).

I'm not trying to say Joan's "getting what she deserves"--not at all. Joan is being shit on and it's unfair, I was kind of hoping she'd lawyer up to to stick it to those douche bags. I'm saying she's probably realizing how special the old place was, and how silly it was to have be concerned about money back then--as she said this episode, it's not about money and it never should have been. When Joan could have given her loyalty to her "team" (IE Roger, Don, Pete--the ones trying to keep the business the same) she should have. Now, none of those people can help her. Instead she supported Cutler, and now she's in an office full of Cutlers and Harrys (Either productive but disgusting assholes, or assholes who turn a blind eye to the bad behavior of the productive people because they only care about the bottom line.)

As for Don...They've been heavily intimating that he's losing his ability to be Don Draper. In the first half of the Season, as Bert told him, he thought the company would get into trouble and they'd call him off the bench and he'd save them in typical "Draper" fashion (A huge pitch that delivers a whale). But that didn't happen--he only came back through keeping his head down and working hard (More like his Dick Whitman self). In this episode, he tried to take two identities on when he was looking for Diane, and the guy instantly saw through both of them. He couldn't blend in as Don Draper at the big company. Also, the fact is, everyone, even Roger and Pete are drifting into the 70's fine. Their hairstyles, mustaches and clothes are changing with the times. Don though? Don still looks exactly the same as he did in 1965. Nothing about him is changing with the times, he's just stuck. I think that's been kind of symbolic in terms of him not being able to flow with all the changes. He worked so hard because he wanted things to stay the same, he wanted to go back to the office the way it was. In the end, I think his inability to change anymore is going to either force him to give up the Draper persona? Or push him to California to have another "rebirth", like he's had before. Not sure which.

Either way, Don should totally take his ditzy secretary with him....lol, she's consistently awesome.

Edit: Btw, they were using the old S.C. set right? Because those offices were the same from Season 1-4 it looked like.
 

Royal

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In the end, it's all really Duck Phillip's fault. Well his and that closet 'mo Lee Garner Jr.
 

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goddamn the whole episode

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Woah, so many feels during the SC&P former office scenes with Peggy and Roger. Also Don don'ing his way, Peggy getting self-entitled, Joan being Joan, Pete and Ted meddling... I've always said Mad Men's The Suitcase episode was a milestone but this episode was awesome.