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Caliane

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Merriam Webster: unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against the will usually of a female or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent.

A prosecutor who threatens to drop cases against wife beaters unless the battered wife agrees to sleep with him is a threat of injury in exchange for unlawful sexual activity/sexual intercourse. Though technically I suppose it's between rape and sexual assault:

illegal sexual contact that usually involves force upon a person without consent or is inflicted upon a person who is incapable of giving consent (as because of age or physical or mental incapacity) or who places the assailant (as a doctor) in a position of trust or authority

"If you don't suck my dick i'm going to drop the case against your husband and release him from prison, what do you think he is going to do to you for turning him in?"
I can't believe people aren't making more of this honestly. Such a gross abuse of power. This revelation was more heartbreaking then Steven honestly. how many women did this piece of shit do this to, and we don't know about it. And how the fuck is he not in jail, and still practicing?
 

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OMG you're so dangerous to society!!! That man went to trial and was declared innocent. How dare you lack the critical thinking skills to feel that he's guilty!!

By the way, you do think he was guilty, you're just too much of a pussy to say it
You still struggle with the fact that not guilty and innocent aren't the fucking same.
 

popsicledeath

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Let's go back to a continued theme of this thread. Jive is scary because he doesn't understand the basic functions, definitions and methods of our legal system but is very eager to proclaim he knows someone is a murdered.

For instance:

OMG you're so dangerous to society!!! That man went to trial and was declared innocent. How dare you lack the critical thinking skills to feel that he's guilty!!

By the way, you do think he was guilty, you're just too much of a pussy to say it
OJ was declared not guilty at trial. There were some flaws in the trial, but mostly just of the system. By and large the trial was as fair as could be expected and there was very little demand he be re-tried criminally. He was found liable in a civil trial. In our system, for better or worse, that means he is criminally not guilty of the crime. Neither verdicts, however, did or were designed to prove innocence. Neither juries were ever tasked with proving or disproving innocence.

How is it possible someone could be found not guilty of a crime and still have done in? Well, because there's a difference between criminal guilt and inbred retards with pitchforks guilt, or at least there should be.

It's possible for exactly the reason you state here (minus the incorrect and ignorant statement that we saw zero footage of the prosecution questioning anybody on the stand):

This is partly what I felt at the end too. I mean, sure the prosecutors didn't want to be involved, but we also saw next to zero footage of the prosecutors questioning anybody on the stand that put the defence in a bad light. I refuse to believe that.
And no reasonable human being could look at the evidence thatwasincluded in the doc and come away with a guilty verdict. Therehadto be more we didn't see
Remember, jurors aren't tasked with determining if someone committed the crime. In fact, despite the DA constantly tell them their job is to find the defendant guilty, their job is actually to presume he's innocent and provide a verdict of not guilty if there is "reasonable doubt" as to whether the person committed the crime. The point of the documentary is that even if there was some evidence that seemed concrete, you can't ever know the absolute truth, so when there is also a lot of evidence and proceedings that could give a discerning person reasonable doubt you're supposed to return a verdict of not guilty.

The fact you've seen a guilty verdict, think that means he did it, and are then assuming evidence existed that supports that is absurd. Our entire legal system is built around overcoming exactly that sort of bias and ignorance. It's scary to think there are people like you, and a jury like in this documentary, that basically said to themselves: yeah, there is a lot of evidence that makes me have reasonable doubts, and I know the instructions were that the DA has to prove he's guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, but I'm pretty sure he did it and boy some of the other evidence sure is interesting and points in Avery's direction...

In fact, your two quotes here alone are everything our entire trial system is set up to overcome, and the fact even with a documentary highlighting the very deficiencies in our system aren't enough for you to smarten up about your own bias and ignorance is absolutely terrifying. You should be permanently barred from ever having jury duty because your ignorance is going to kill someone.
 

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OMG you're so dangerous to society!!! That man went to trial and was declared innocent. How dare you lack the critical thinking skills to feel that he's guilty!!
Err, no. He was found not guilty. He was not found innocent.
 

popsicledeath

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Oh I know they screwed up and did bad things. I might watch it eventually but I have no interest in a one sided discussion of something that needs two sides. Key aspects not talked about because it doesn't fit with the narrative.

If you make a documentary present both sides, be biased, but both sides need to be told. You don't need your "enemy" to give an interview if they don't want to. Just give a good full synopsis of the other side at least.
Normally your services are a welcome diversion, but sorry, this thread already has a troll trying to rile people up whether or not they understand the topic at hand.

And documentaries aren't exactly the line of work any filmmaker or company go after for a get rich scheme. So your theory they're intentionally being as bias as possible to get people talking to drum up interest and make a ton of cash is probably not quite what two women who moved to Wisconsin to cover a local trial had in mind 10 years ago?
 

a_skeleton_03

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I'd love to see these unbiased documentaries a_skeleton_03 has been watching
Pretend to be an authority on something he knows nothing about. Just the a_skeleton_03 way.
No documentaries I have seen are not biased and that's the point!!

People are watching this like it's the only truth out there. They are flipping out over something when they only have part of the story.

This isn't a 60 Minutes expose (it would probably look the same though) this is a for profit company trying to get subscribers and win awards .... This isn't journalism this is a TV show designed for ratings.
 

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No documentaries I have seen are not biased and that's the point!!

People are watching this like it's the only truth out there. They are flipping out over something when they only have part of the story.

This isn't a 60 Minutes expose (it would probably look the same though) this is a for profit company trying to get subscribers and win awards .... This isn't journalism this is a TV show designed for ratings.
And so? The point of the doc is to expose the police misconduct and use the Avery story as an example of what can happen. I'd say they've succeeded in all ways.
 

a_skeleton_03

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Normally your services are a welcome diversion, but sorry, this thread already has a troll trying to rile people up whether or not they understand the topic at hand.

And documentaries aren't exactly the line of work any filmmaker or company go after for a get rich scheme. So your theory they're intentionally being as bias as possible to get people talking to drum up interest and make a ton of cash is probably not quite what two women who moved to Wisconsin to cover a local trial had in mind 10 years ago?
Nah not trolling. Tired of hearing people at work and on facebook and everywhere else talk about this like this is Blackfish and we need to shut down Sea World. Get on the phone to Obama and get this guy pardoned. Save the bees because this one documentary said that the statistics show all bees are on track to die out by 2007 even though I just watched it in 2015.

People see a "documentary" label on something and instantly it's gospel truth.

You are right the people that started the documentary process probably weren't only in it for the money.

Before meeting with Netflix, Demos and Ricciardi met with executives at PBS and HBO, but neither network was interested in the project.
They were film students that used to be a lawyer and a film electrician. They have to make money in their life I understand that. Documentaries don't have to be non-profit.
 

Adebisi

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I don't want Steve Avery pardoned. No sir.

Brendan retrial, yes.
 

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See, read the posts in there. The conspiracy theories about assassinating jurors is absolutely insane.
The juror himself said they feared for their safety, and you're saying reddit comments jokingly talking about assassinating jurors is insane?
 

Jive Turkey

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Merriam Webster: unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against the will usually of a female or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent.

A prosecutor who threatens to drop cases against wife beaters unless the battered wife agrees to sleep with him is a threat of injury in exchange for unlawful sexual activity/sexual intercourse. Though technically I suppose it's between rape and sexual assault:

illegal sexual contact that usually involves force upon a person without consent or is inflicted upon a person who is incapable of giving consent (as because of age or physical or mental incapacity) or who places the assailant (as a doctor) in a position of trust or authority

"If you don't suck my dick i'm going to drop the case against your husband and release him from prison, what do you think he is going to do to you for turning him in?"
So he didn't rape her. Good job
 

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There's no difference between rape and sexual assault. A rape is a sexual assault.
 

a_skeleton_03

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The juror himself said they feared for their safety, and you're saying reddit comments jokingly talking about assassinating jurors is insane?
People are irrationally scared about all kinds of things. Doesn't make them a reality.

People aren't joking in there, they are trying to say that the excused juror's daughter was purposely in a car accident to get him off the jury ...