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Cad_sl said:
Sexual harassment is a civil offense, we were talking criminal.. and yes coercing someone into having sex with you in your capacity as a public servant is sexual assault. Now one might wonder why he wasn't prosecuted for that... but then, this is Calumet/Manitowoc ... and he didn't complete the act.
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UPDATE: Civil Lawsuit Against Former Prosecutor Settled
Not enough evidence or something I suppose. Or this entire county is corrupt as fuck.
UPDATED Friday, June 15, 2012 --- 10:55 a.m.

MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- A former Wisconsin prosecutor accused of rampant sexual harassment has agreed to plead no contest to six ethics violations.

The state Office of Lawyer Regulation filed a complaint against former Calumet County District Ken Kratz in November alleging 11 breaches of state Supreme Court attorney conduct rules. The complaint alleges Katz solicited a domestic abuse victim, had sex with a woman he prosecuted and made sexual remarks to other women, and asked the court to suspend his law license.

A hearing is set for Tuesday.

Office of Lawyer Regulation attorney Tom Basting agreed to drop five counts including two connected to the sexual assault allegations that he dropped Friday. Kratz agreed to plead no contest to the remaining six counts.

Copyright 2012. The Associated Press.

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UPDATED Friday, June 15, 2012 --- 10:20 a.m.

MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- The office that oversees attorney conduct in Wisconsin has decided to drop two more misconduct charges against a former prosecutor accused of rampant sexual harassment.

The Office of Lawyer Regulation filed 11 misconduct charges against former Calumet County District Ken Kratz in November. The charges allege he tried to solicit a domestic abuse victim, had sex with a woman he prosecuted for theft and made sexual remarks to two county social workers.

The office wants the state Supreme Court to suspend Kratz's law license. A hearing has been set for next week.

OLR attorney Tom Basting has dropped three counts against Kratz ahead of the hearing. On Friday he said he has agreed to drop two more counts and Kratz has agreed to plead no contest to the remaining six.

Copyright 2012. The Associated Press.

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UPDATED Thursday, June 14, 2012 --- 1:05 p.m.

MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- The agency that oversees Wisconsin lawyers has dropped three misconduct counts against a former prosecutor accused of rampant sexual harassment.

The Office of Lawyer Regulation has filed 11 misconduct counts against Ken Kratz. He could lose his law license for six months.

OLR attorney Tom Basting told case referee Robert E. Kinney Thursday the department won't pursue a count accusing Kratz of creating a conflict of interest by pursing a relationship with woman while he was prosecuting her ex-boyfriend for domestic abuse. The agency also won't pursue two counts accusing Kratz of soliciting another woman seeking his help with a pardon.

Kratz has argued he removed himself from the domestic abuse prosecution and the woman seeking a pardon lied.

A hearing on the remaining counts is set for Tuesday.

Copyright 2012. The Associated Press.
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Jive Turkey

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Cad_sl said:
Sexual harassment is a civil offense, we were talking criminal.. and yes coercing someone into having sex with you in your capacity as a public servant is sexual assault. Now one might wonder why he wasn't prosecuted for that... but then, this is Calumet/Manitowoc ... and he didn't complete the act.
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Not once was the phrase 'sexual assault' used. 'Sexual harassment' on the other hand was used extensively. Keep digging, Saul.
This is what he is said to have violated:

http://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/stat...atutes/950.pdf
 
Chanur

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I'm not from Florida. You should be wearing a helmet and fed soft food with a rubber spoon.
 
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so i watched the last part, it really just shows how much brendan and steve have been buried with no chance of getting new trials because the same bureaucracy that put them there isnt about to change their minds. i really dont get how brendan was put away. his statements were all inconsistent and he is borderline retarded, there was not one piece of physical evidence to back up anything he said. they had countless instances of coercion by the detectives and his own lawyer. you could make a good case for railroading in regards to steven avery, but there was enough gray area that his conviction could be considered valid. but brendan? not a goddamned thing.
 
Chanur

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Jive Turkey_sl said:
Oh, so you moved there by choice. Cool
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I don't live in Florida nor have I ever been there. You have some excellent investigative skills sir. No wonder you are thr only one in this thread that has it all figured out.The Pink Panther best look out.
 
Jive Turkey

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Chanur_sl said:
I don't live in Florida nor have I ever been there. You have some excellent investigative skills sir. No wonder you are thr only one in this thread that has it all figured out.The Pink Panther best look out.
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Ok, you win. Boy is your family in for a great story over dinner tonight
 
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Gankak_sl said:
You know there is more than ONE area of the country called 'panhandle' and that area actually HAS lots of tornadoes like his location suggests. Right?
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Much like the case Inspector Live Turducken see's what he wants to.
 
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No. But were I Brendan I would have just agreed with you that I lived in Texas or Florida.
 
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a_skeleton_03_sl said:
Nah not trolling. Tired of hearing people at work and on facebook and everywhere else talk about this like this is Blackfish and we need to shut down Sea World. Get on the phone to Obama and get this guy pardoned. Save the bees because this one documentary said that the statistics show all bees are on track to die out by 2007 even though I just watched it in 2015.

People see a "documentary" label on something and instantly it's gospel truth.

You are right the people that started the documentary process probably weren't only in it for the money.



They were film students that used to be a lawyer and a film electrician. They have to make money in their life I understand that. Documentaries don't have to be non-profit.
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Yeah, I'm sick of the people over reacting as well. But just because people are overreacting like people do doesn't mean the documentary was trying to elicit that response. And it sounds to me like they decided to go with netflix because it was there only option, not because they were shopping around trying to find the biggest paycheck.

Documentaries document. Without having seen the documentary please explain what documenting in Making a Murderer did you find so inaccurate or egregious?

It's a good documentary and I found it fair and pretty straightforward. I mean, it's definitely no Michael Moore bullshit where he's narrating over the top of interviews to make sure you see it his way. I hate that fat fuck, but thankfully this documentary was pretty much the opposite of one of his.
 
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popsicledeath_sl said:
Yeah, I'm sick of the people over reacting as well. But just because people are overreacting like people do doesn't mean the documentary was trying to elicit that response. And it sounds to me like they decided to go with netflix because it was there only option, not because they were shopping around trying to find the biggest paycheck.

Documentaries document. Without having seen the documentary please explain what documenting in Making a Murderer did you find so inaccurate or egregious?

It's a good documentary and I found it fair and pretty straightforward. I mean, it's definitely no Michael Moore bullshit where he's narrating over the top of interviews to make sure you see it his way. I hate that fat fuck, but thankfully this documentary was pretty much the opposite of one of his.
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Yes they went with Netflix because it was the only option left, that would pay them. The point was they didn't do this professionally before and they aren't some well known crusaders for the truth. They heard a story and decided to try filming it. They knew they had 'something' and so shopped it around trying to get some funding.

Netflix saw money potential in it and went with it. It's not nefarious, it's reality. If it was just some boring story they would have passed. Netflix is trying to prove they are a big deal in the original content market. They are testing fiction and non-fiction a lot. Trying to see where they will fall on the spectrum. Which genres they can play around with and get the buzz they need to have the lights stay on.
 
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a_skeleton_03_sl said:
Yes they went with Netflix because it was the only option left, that would pay them. The point was they didn't do this professionally before and they aren't some well known crusaders for the truth. They heard a story and decided to try filming it. They knew they had 'something' and so shopped it around trying to get some funding.

Netflix saw money potential in it and went with it. It's not nefarious, it's reality. If it was just some boring story they would have passed. Netflix is trying to prove they are a big deal in the original content market. They are testing fiction and non-fiction a lot. Trying to see where they will fall on the spectrum. Which genres they can play around with and get the buzz they need to have the lights stay on.
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Dare I ask... but what's your point again?

Because at first you seemed to start on a direction of 'it's all bias bullshit you dumb fuckers are swallowing like sheep' which I'm not joking would have normally been a welcome diversion if Jive hadn't stolen your thunder first. But now you're just doing the equivalent of going into the thread for the latest summer blockbuster you haven't seen and making a declaration that movies are of varying qualities and all actors have done at least one bad role but all movies require funding to make and the movie makers hope to recoup their costs in box-office sales and everyone has different opinions about things in life.

I'm not sure if I'm more disappointed you didn't get a chance to troll us hard, or that you haven't watched the documentary and contributed honestly because you making informed posts seems to piss people off just as much as when you troll. Either option and I leave highly entertained.
 
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a_skeleton_03_sl said:
Yes they went with Netflix because it was the only option left, that would pay them. The point was they didn't do this professionally before and they aren't some well known crusaders for the truth. They heard a story and decided to try filming it. They knew they had 'something' and so shopped it around trying to get some funding.

Netflix saw money potential in it and went with it. It's not nefarious, it's reality. If it was just some boring story they would have passed. Netflix is trying to prove they are a big deal in the original content market. They are testing fiction and non-fiction a lot. Trying to see where they will fall on the spectrum. Which genres they can play around with and get the buzz they need to have the lights stay on.
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Even one of Avery's own defence lawyers referred to the experience of the trial in the documentary as "artificial and distorting" and likened it to the polar opposite of the pretrial public fervor, so you're not too far off on your assumptions despite what some people are saying. Yes, there are things shown that seem to be exclusive of bias, but there's no doubt a lot we weren't shown too. Some people just like to be fed their information like a foie gras goose and that's the end of it
 
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Jive Turkey_sl said:
Even one of Avery's own defence lawyers referred to the experience of the trial in the documentary as "artificial and distorting" and likened it to the polar opposite of the pretrial public fervor, so you're not too far off on your assumptions despite what some people are saying
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I hesitate to wade back in this with you, but do you have a source for the defense saying that? In the latest YouTube video from Dean Strang yesterday when he was answering questions from Reddit he said that it seemed as good a representation as you could get when condensing a six week trial down to a few hours.
 
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