Malaysian Airlines 777 Shot Down (?)

Araysar_sl said:

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I like that one a lot.

Araysar_sl said:

I hope EU/US learned a valuable lesson from all of this.

The reality is that, after two decades of eastward NATO expansion, this crisis was triggered by the West's attempt to pull Ukraine decisively into its orbit and defense structure, via an explicitly anti-Moscow EU association agreement. Its rejection led to the Maidan protests fueled by US/EU influence and the installation of an anti-Russian administration.

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I think it is a wake up call actually. How the west proceeds in the future is another story perhaps. Seems like Russia was discounted as a world power in name only for some time now, but they are emboldened by their standing on the new global energy chessboard and combined with Putin's approach to reestablishing their former potency they've shown they aren't just going to lay down and get steamrolled anymore.

This is what you get for giving advanced military weapons to russian rednecks.

And probably we will never know the truth if the black boxes are given to the russians.

It's all about the freedomz, not money. America didn't do anything to fund or support the Maidan uprising. Nope. The current Ukrainian government is legitimate, of course. Nothing to see here, move along patriots. God bless America.

Araysar_sl said:

Which makes me wonder more and more if this wasn't just an orchestrated casus belli by the West, using Ukrainian Buk missiles in order to gain more public support against the separatists and Russia. It's just too convenient.

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Ok Fanaskin.

There's just so many of them to choose from.

Araysar_sl said:

Right, and I dont think you can blame Russia. US would do exactly the same thing in their place. This is just realpolitik.

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We can say that they are both fucked up, but no I don't "blame" Russia. Yeah they are pulling from our playbook, but we make some pretty atrocious plays. You do have an entire nation caught in the middle of this thing though with Ukraine being thrown into civil war on the whims of the world superpowers surrounding them. But that goes for Syira, Libya, Iraq, Israel, Palestine.... There's blood on everyone's hands in the west and Russia.

You keep asking in these threads why Americans are so mad (I never know how much you are trolling but for the sake of argument) about this in the first place. The thing here is, we have short memories. We don't much study history and most of what our man on the street does know of it is our own, not as much European. You see that all the time in the WWI discussions. We have this culturocentric idea of history and the world stage in our isolation and dog-whistle patriotism in the States. The younger generations don't remember the cold war, they have no prior concept of Russia as a self actualized world power who had to be taken into account, rather than disregarded. The older generations either suffer from short memory syndrome or remember those days all too well. Russia's reemergence is a shock to the western system and the citizens are reacting in shock.

Still, for the U.S. populace, this is largely a political talking point in their neverending bread and circus revolving around hating/loving Obama. For the EU, this shit has gotten REAL, way too fast. Especially now that hundreds of Dutch civilians just randomly got blown out of the sky.

fanaskin_sl said:

why don't you just post alex jones, godlike production, and beforeitsnew they all say the same thing.

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What does worldtruthtv have to say? How does this all fit into Agenda 21 and the chemtrail program?

Araysar_sl said:

The Final Moments Of Flight MH-17: The Russian Side Of The Story

Sounds like some damning arguments against Ukraine

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The rebels are not using aircraft so why would the Ukrainians be using anti aircraft weapons close to the rebel positions (who could capture them and use them against the Ukrainians who ARE using aircraft), unless it was a false flag attack? The only people using anti aircraft weaponry in the area are the rebels, it's pretty obvious that they shot it down by mistake.

From what I hear the Ukrainians gave out warnings about flying there (mentioned in that article) but the international air traffic control people didn't react cautiously as this has never been a problem before and the Malaysian Airlines don't bother investigating their own flightpaths (which is why other airlines avoided the area).

If Russia/the rebels are innocent then it's pretty simple, we would have the black box recorder by now.