Malaysian Airlines 777 Shot Down (?)

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if you see something on alex jones, wnd, beforeitsnews, cfrog, russia today ect, you have to find it confirmed in another news source or you can't trust it exists at all.
Right, we can only trust western media sources and their unblemished history of truth.
 

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Right, we can only trust western media sources and their unblemished history of truth.
you have to cross reference that shit, what would you classify WND as, usually it's a right wing hysteria site. isn't that the same site that had all the obama is a muslim with no birth certificate stuff? when it comes to RT they promote a wild array of conspiracy theories cause they thnk it destabalizes the west, it is a state run propaganda system.
 

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It's really not "relavent" to me at all, considering that Firth is probably wrong.
 

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you have to cross reference that shit, what would you classify WND as, usually it's a right wing hysteria site. isn't that the same site that had all the obama is a muslim with no birth certificate stuff? when it comes to RT they promote a wild array of conspiracy theories cause they thnk it destabalizes the west, it is a state run propaganda system.
WND cited Zerohedge, moron.
 

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We need tad10 in here, if he agrees that Ukraine shot the plane down, we know its a mess of conspiracy theory bullshit.
 

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those handshakes are fucking killer material dumar
WTF is wrong with Kerry doing those weird twisted double handshakes - what the heck is even the point of those... I really want to hate him now, seems like something a douchebag 20-yr old frat guy would do to impress chicks for no reason.
 

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WTF is wrong with Kerry doing those weird twisted double handshakes - what the heck is even the point of those... I really want to hate him now, seems like something a douchebag 20-yr old frat guy would do to impress chicks for no reason.
Probably some sort of Illuminati symbol.

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So why did Ukrainian ATC sent MH17 right into a warzone when the previous 10 MH flights took extra measures to go around it?

Is that also Russia's fault?
 

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Why was MH17s flight path over a conflict zone? | The Rundown | PBS NewsHour

In April the Federal Aviation Association (FAA) prohibited only U.S. aircraft carriers from flying over parts of Ukraine. However, as O'Brien explained, this didn't apply to the Malaysian flight which was north of the banned area.
"Flight MH17 was in an area it was allowed to be in. Malaysia had no specific prohibitions or regulations in this area," said O'Brien.
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"Everyone wants to avoid Iran air space," said O'Brien, "So from most European capital cities to Southeast Asia the most direct route is over Ukraine. This would cost the least amount and get customers to their destinations as quickly as possible. When airlines say safety is the top priority, well, this shows that's not always true."

The flight path of MH17 may not have been the safest choice, but it was still flying at an altitude of around 33,000 feet on a route used by multiple aircraft everyday. In fact, a few aircraft were in the same general area when MH17 was shot down. Airliners mistakenly assumed from the frequency of flights and the high altitude that the path was safe.
Virgin Atlantic plane was in same area as MH17 when it was shot down | Mail Online

It was one of nearly 300 planes in Ukrainian airspace,of which 55 - including six flights from Heathrow Airport - were in the immediate 'war zone.'
 

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So a civilian airliner was allowed to fly through an area where planes have been recently shot down before? Is this Putin's fault too?

Airliners mistakenly assumed from the frequency of flights and the high altitude that the path was safe.
Oh that makes it so much better
 

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So a civilian airliner was allowed to fly through an area where planes have been recently shot down before? Is this Putin's fault too?
there was multiple civilian planes in the area, painting a picture that mh17 was alone in the area and nobody dared to enter the airspace seems misleading, and conspiracyesque

Why Planes Still Flew Over Ukraine Until MH17 Was Shot Down | Autopia | WIRED

So what was a passenger plane doing anywhere near the area? As it turns out, aviation authorities had addressed the Ukraine situation and taken precautions. They just didn't think non-combatant planes flying at 33,000 feet were at risk.
The situation in Ukraine was thought to be fairly safe, and local authorities cleared planes through their airspace as long as they stayed above 32,000 feet. The Malaysia jet, a Boeing 777-200ER en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, was at 33,000 feet when it was hit.

It's likely no one thought planes flying that high were at risk, says Mikael Robertsson, a co-founder of FlightRadar24, a site that tracks planes around the world.Malaysia Airlines had flown this route repeatedly over the past several weeks without incident, as had other carriers. When MH17 was shot down, it was right next to two other passenger planes operated by Air India and Singapore Airlines.

Plus, flying around Ukraine is a major pain: The country is right in the middle of a common direct route between Europe and southeast Asia. Longer routes mean more fuel and more chances for delays, so cost-conscious airlines avoid such maneuvers whenever they can.
Seconds from disaster - British bound plane passed within miles of Malaysian Airlines flight as it crashed - Mirror Online

Singapore Airlines SQ351 and Air India AI113 were both around 15 miles of MH17 when contact was lost, reportedly because it was shot down. That's the equivalent of just 90 seconds in the air.