Yeah we're pushing chores hard now on the kids, they're getting better. I think there's two issues with my situation, one is that 2 of my kids have some mental health issues, really only a major issue with my middle girl, getting her to do things can turn into a full day event and when she decides to go hardcore then you aren't getting anything out of them. Second issue is my wife just can't pop the titty out they mouth. Like, our oldest is 10, at 10 I was mowing the lawn and doing dishes and all kinds of shit, she doesn't need to be babied she needs to be challenged and appropriately rewarded. Fucking frustrating.
But they are getting better. I need to be consistent, really, establish a chore routine and a reward system and stick with it. We're come up with like 3 different things and fucked it off each time because it just becomees more work making them clean than it would to just do it myself.