Marriage and the Power of Divorce

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Cad

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I want you to substantiate what you're saying by connecting it to her gender, not how females are generally raised in this society.
Distinction without a difference. He's just saying females are generally this way because they are generally raised to believe that. It's not some attack on XX chromosomes in particular, just a generalized statement about females in our society.

Which you know of course, he never said because biologically women this or that.
 

Deathwing

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Distinction without a difference. He's just saying females are generally this way because they are generally raised to believe that. It's not some attack on XX chromosomes in particular, just a generalized statement about females in our society.

Which you know of course, he never said because biologically women this or that.
IDK, when you start your post with agreeing with a Kirun tirade, don't you think it's fair we assume he's talking about women biologically?
 

Tenks

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My wife is always trying to make more money than me. I wish she did because that means we both get more money. Does it make me a super beta male that I realize what is good for her is good for us both?
 

Draegan_sl

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Now this is guaranteed to piss your wife off, but it makes a point. I kept a tally board one day of "things wife asked me to do" vs. "things I asked wife to do". You know, stupid shit like can you run to the store and get X, can you do <chore you would have done sometime in the next hour but that wasn't good enough>, etc.

It was like 80 to 1 by the end of the day. I showed her at the end of the day and of course it pissed her off, but it also made the point. I don't know why women think we are their servants. Don't be one. I want something done, I don't ask her to do it, I do it, or I buy it. She wants something done, let her do it her fucking self, or have it be a balance between things she helps out with vs. things you help out with.

If you let your marriage get to the point where she's constantly hounding you to do shit that you literally do not give a fuck about, then you are just a ticking time bomb waiting to toss sodas at the wall. Instead of that, you need to go, "baby, you like that stuff. You do it. I'm going to work on unpacking this kitchen, its driving me crazy." Or whatever it is you want to do.
You're describing probably every woman in the world. I almost did this list thing last month.
 

Frenzied Wombat

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So, you're saying her inability to learn from her relationship mistakes is because she has two Y chromosomes? I want you to substantiate what you're saying by connecting it to her gender, not how females are generally raised in this society.

The hyperbole was regarding my comment, not yours.



I'll put it back if you show me your penis.

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No, failing to learn from past relationships is a characteristics of both genders. I'm saying her gender traits/desires (desire to have a breadwinner and being physically smaller than her man) are somewhat incompatible with being a successful business woman. This is honestly not unique to her, at all.

P.S: Women have two X chromosomes, not Y.
 

Draegan_sl

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So, genuinely curious about this. For you gents that are married, did you find that shit changed a lot after you got married? Like did the wife start making a lot less effort in terms of their physical appearance, doing shit around the house, being reasonable to get along with? Did they suddenly start expecting you to do a lot of shit differently? No more going out for beers with the dudes, playing hockey/baseball/whatever? Feel free to add details about how long you dated before marriage, for example.

Reason I ask is that in reading through this thread, it seems like the majority of the guys who got married end up in a relationship that's significantly worse than what it was before marriage. Or at least that's the impression I get. I get the same thing from many of the guys I play hockey with. I can't really go by the honest opinions of my truly close friends, as only two of them are married. One says nothing's changed and everything's awesome. The other is a broken man that I've seen about twice since we were kicked out of the Fairmont Chateau Whistler a couple years ago right before his first child was born (sent him off in style).

17 months in to my relationship with my special lady friend, and 5 months after she's moved in with me, everything's still really fucking awesome. Like this discussion you guys are having about being asked to do shit? I'm never asked to do shit. Like, ever. Since she's moved in, she's completely taken over cooking, cleaning (she occasionally has a service come in, but maybe once a month), laundry, grocery shopping, etc. Basically everything domestic. I mean I pay every single bill since she's back in school and only working part time, but other than groceries going up because she likes to spend $100 at the goddamn farmer's market on overpriced produce, it's not like it's costing me any more to live with her than it did when I was single. And I never have to ask her to do shit, because she just does it. Hell if I run out of beer in the fridge, she fills it back up again.

I don't know if she's hankering to get married, the subject never really comes up. I'm not in any particular rush, personally, either for marriage or kids. I don't even know if I want kids, and every indication from her is that she's not interested in the next 3-5 years as she just started a 3 year master's program. So I guess I don't really know what direction to go in. I'd be fine continuing with the way things have been going indefinitely, but I guess I have to check with her if she's cool with that as well, or looking for more.

The easy solution would be to get her a puppy, because that's all she wants that she ever brings up with me, but fuck. that.
Things change a lot with me and my wife after we had our daughter last year, but that's to be expected. My wife just went back to work two months ago after a year off and she's finding the adjustment difficult.

Things also changed when we got a mortgage. My wife became even more anxious about money even though our combined salaries are pretty decent. She thinks our family is falling behind if we don't put 20% of our income in savings (which doesn't even account for 401k and pension plans that we have ongoing).
 

Cad

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IDK, when you start your post with agreeing with a Kirun tirade, don't you think it's fair we assume he's talking about women biologically?
No, most of Kiruns tirade was not directed at womens biological characteristics rather their sociological programming.

And if you assume shit and then attack people on its basis, who is the idiot?
 

Draegan_sl

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Both girls and guys like to feel special. The stupid things you would do for one another before marriage need to continue after marriage. Surprises are great in that regard. Settling is what people ultimately resent in their partner. That the other person no longer tries the way they did while dating. That they aren't worth the extra care.
Well fuck you. Now I have to buy my wife flowers tonight on the way home. Hear that men? You gotta do the same.
 

Lejina

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I soloed so much shit as a SK, people had to come to me to multiquest half the epics, for a fee. I had so much plats, I bought horses to guildmates just because and I had millions in the bank when I quit.

DPS rake in the cash? You're adorable.
 

Deathwing

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No, failing to learn from past relationships is a characteristics of both genders. I'm saying her gender traits/desires (desire to have a breadwinner and being physically smaller than her man) are somewhat incompatible with being a successful business woman. This is honestly not unique to her, at all.

P.S: Women have two X chromosomes, not Y.
Yeah, honest mistake on the chromosomes, my bad.

I'll drop the point, whatever. Cad made one assumption, I made the other, guess I picked the wrong one.

No, most of Kiruns tirade was not directed at womens biological characteristics rather their sociological programming.

And if you assume shit and then attack people on its basis, who is the idiot?
Was it really? I'll admit I skip any Kirun post longer than a paragraph. He's become a broken record regarding this topic.