Marriage and the Power of Divorce

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Kirun

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Monica.


I further agree with Tuco about not making it your life goal to always ensure that your wife is happy. The biggest key to marriage for guys, in my opinion, is the power of no and setting boundaries early/often.

A lot of men who find themselves in relationships where they feel unappreciated by their partner, are often there because they simply lacked the balls to make their primacy real for her in the beginning. As the majority of men are optionless Betas, it comes as no surprise that most will readily sell themselves out in the beginning to keep the peace and keep the pussy open. Only later do they discover that their early supplications are precisely the reason she lacks respect and loses the lust for you. Men think, "she'll love me more because I'll do anything for her" while women think, "he's spineless and weak because he'll do anything for me."


In the grand scheme of things, women can never appreciate the sacrifices men make in order to satisfy women's socio-sexual imperatives. However, Men do possess the capacity to impress upon women the importance of their purpose or passions. In fact, when done appropriately, impressing this upon women can be a fantastic tool to stimulate genuine interest as well as "turning her on". Competition anxiety is a powerful force in the sexual marketplace for women, but within the confines of a LTR, this stress tends to subside into a relaxed comfort and familiarity, which is the antithesis of the lust-fueled sexual urgency prompted by the imaginings of losing a high value man to another competitor. To counteract this future situation, what needs to be established early in an LTR is a man's genuine passion for something other than her.


Forget all those romantic cliches of the leading man proclaiming his undying love for the woman who completes him. Despite whatever they say to the contrary, women do not want to be "The One" or the center of a man's existence. They in fact want to subordinate themselves to a worthy man's life purpose, to help him achieve that purpose with their feminine support, and to follow the path he lays out. You must respect a woman's integrity and not lie to her that she is "your everything". She is not your everything, and if she is, she will soon not be anymore.


Since women fundamentally lack an appreciation for a Man's experience, convincing a woman of your purpose or passion requires breaking a few eggs. You cannot be afraid to let things get messy. Demonstrating this purpose to her, early in the relationship, and particularly at the risk of destroying the relationship, is the lynchpin to authoritatively defining the future frame of any relationship. This applies equally to both LTRs and nonexclusive relationships.


When she enters your world, she has to experience it first hand for it to have any legitimacy for her. This requires that you demonstrate what it means to live, or be in love, with a Man who's purpose is NOT dependent upon her. You cannot explain to a woman what things are like to be with you - it only resounds with a puffed up rationalism that she cannot relate to, and thus has NO legitimacy for her. You have to make it real for her; your passion, your purpose, your direction and vitality must become the "other woman" in the relationship. If that amount to something as simple as putting her off to watch an NFL Playoff game, so be it. If it requires you to be on an extended deployment in the middle east, or if you can think of nothing else but climbing Everest, so be it.


Once a woman understands the gravity and legitimacy of your purpose/passion, only then can she come to appreciate the significance of you foregoing or postponing the dictates of that purpose for her. She will never feel more important to you than when you (occasionally) lift her above that legitimate, verified purpose.


Women will never appreciate a relationship that is a Man's greatest ambition.
 

Noodleface

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lindz' kids are going to turn out like noodleface. Not sure if that's good or bad.
Dude I turned out alright. I'm an engineer making good money, my brother just got his degree and is doing good. Coincidentally my sister is doing terrible and she never saw the pictures (too young). Take that as you will.

I have posted my penis on this forum (FOH), so there is that..
 

Deathwing

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Have you had any desire to kill your dad and fuck your mom?


I denied my wife a back rub last night. She wasn't pissed, especially since she'd got them the last three nights. Made me think of Tuco's comment, feelsgood. Then Kirun wrote that diatribe agreeing with Tuco, feelsbad.
 

Eomer

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Unfortunately I don't live with my parents so I don't have any. It was full on 80's haircut and lingerie for all of us to see.
So she had a full bush poking out of the panties? Nice.

Kirun_sl said:
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They in fact want to subordinate themselves to a worthy man?s life purpose, to help him achieve that purpose with their feminine support, and to follow the path he lays out.

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That's some seriously hateful and misogynistic shit, bro.
 

Noodleface

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Have you had any desire to kill your dad and fuck your mom?


I denied my wife a back rub last night. She wasn't pissed, especially since she'd got them the last three nights. Made me think of Tuco's comment, feelsgood. Then Kirun wrote that diatribe agreeing with Tuco, feelsbad.
No way, my mom is weird dude. The pictures in the bedroom are just the tip of the iceberg.
 

Frenzied Wombat

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Monica.


I further agree with Tuco about not making it your life goal to always ensure that your wife is happy. The biggest key to marriage for guys, in my opinion, is the power of no and setting boundaries early/often.

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Great post. To distill it into a more simplistic explanation, women want a "challenge", but at the same time want to be loved/appreciated. Striking a balance between these almost contradictory concepts is what can be difficult. Maintaining a "challenge" (saying no, putting your foot down, teasing her without putting her down, setting boundaries, not always being available, etc) can be particularly difficult if you really like the woman in question, because you fear that saying no may drive her away, while it is actually the contrary.

I grew up living with four sisters and my mom. From the earliest years I was brainwashed by them all on how I should treat a woman-- "tell her the truth, tell her how you feel, buy flowers, call her immediately after a date if you like her, always pay, etc". Well, following these tips (which I truly felt they actually believed) got me ZERO play. Eventually, I realized that my sisters/mom did not date any guys like this. They dated the aloof independent guy that had a "take it or leave it" attitude, not the one that was sending them romantic letters and flowers. Once I escaped the house and adjusted my romancing tactics to reflect reality, I became far more successful in dating. Yet to this day, my sisters will still sing their mantra that the doormat guy has the key to their heart.
 

Tuco

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They in fact want to subordinate themselves to a worthy man's life purpose, to help him achieve that purpose with their feminine support, and to follow the path he lays out.
Hahaha.

You need to get out more.
Seriously though Kirun, you sound like a virgin who has read too much MRM propaganda and not spent enough time with women. Maybe I just have a different perspective than you. My mom, sister, wife and both grandmothers are strong women whose personality and life makes your perspective look like a joke.

The partnership between a man and a woman is complex and unique to each pairing and can't be reduced in such certain and limited terms like you're pretending here. People aren't toys with set behaviors that fit the mold in your imagination. Many women I know have very happy marriages with stay at home fathers. Many women I know have happy marriages where they stay at home. Many women have equal standing with their husband financially, at home and with their kids.
 

Tenks

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This sounds like some red pill bullshit that may work for attracting a partner but should quickly be abandoned when in an actual committed relationship. Treat your wife like a human being. If she is asking too much let her know. If she does something you appreciate let her know.
 

Frenzied Wombat

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Wait, I like challenges and being loved too. Am I a woman? Or maybe these are common human traits?
Men like challenges in life. Games, problems, competition, work, etc. Mostly quantitative shit that has an answer at some point. And while most don't want some ultra-subservient girlfriend/wife, I would say we don't appreciate being constantly "challenged" emotionally. Men challenge women with boundaries and the word "no". Women challenge men by trying to modify behavior, criticism, and through a heightened emotional state-- something men don't react well to.
 

Tenks

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I also noticed he capitalized the M in "man" half the time. Not sure how to read that one.
 

lindz

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Since women fundamentally lack an appreciation for a Man's experience
Oh dear, this made me laugh. You don't think women feel the same way about men? I feel lucky that I am in a relationship where both my husband and I have worked hard to understand each other, but I don't think that is true of a lot of relationships. Don't play the victim, people treat each other badly regardless of gender.


What I will say though is that I think relationships that are not an alpha male and a beta female, would be tough for me. I am very much a beta and my life is a lot easier for it. Yeah I'm opinionated and stubborn, but I am also happy being the center of my husband's world and supporting him with everything he does. My life is very easy because that and I can see how if my husband had chosen someone that is an alpha like him, there would be a lot of friction. I am one of those strange (or not so strange, I don't know) that is extremely unselfish and I pretty much devote my life to taking care of and pleasing others. I get pleasure out of it, it is what I enjoy. I think it makes for a lot less waves. I wouldn't be happy with a submissive husband, so that part of Kirun's post definitely is true for me at least.
 

Tuco

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I also noticed he capitalized the M in "man" half the time. Not sure how to read that one.
Totally missed that. That's tipping Kirun over into the troll category for me. Well done Kirun, it took me way too long. Then again nothing you've said is more ridiculous and unbelievable than the shit Elliot Rodgers was belching out and he was legit. I'm not trying to connect you two in any way, I'm just saying there's a ton of dumbasses out there that truly believe stupid stuff. I just know you're smarter than that.
 

Eomer

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No dudes, Kirun just has women figured out, he's not a hateful misogynist at all.
For real though, hasn't he said that me spent the better part of his early adult life as a shut-in, socially paralyzed, panic attack stricken agoraphobic? You know, like Sean. I mean it's awesome that he's overcome whatever disorders he's had, but it seems like he's gone full retard in the other direction now, telling himself that he's got every single woman on the planet figured out. Hell, he seems to think he's got all the men nailed, too.
 

Frenzied Wombat

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What I will say though is that I think relationships that are not an alpha male and a beta female, would be tough for me. I am very much a beta and my life is a lot easier for it. Yeah I'm opinionated and stubborn, but I am also happy being the center of my husband's world and supporting him with everything he does. My life is very easy because that and I can see how if my husband had chosen someone that is an alpha like him, there would be a lot of friction. I am one of those strange (or not so strange, I don't know) that is extremely unselfish and I pretty much devote my life to taking care of and pleasing others. I get pleasure out of it, it is what I enjoy. I think it makes for a lot less waves. I wouldn't be happy with a submissive husband, so that part of Kirun's post definitely is true for me at least.
And this is one of the primary reasons why your relationship works so well. You both have chosen and accepted your roles-- both of which mirror an instinctual need. Part of the reason for a soaring divorce rate is that as gender equality has been achieved, some facets are incongruent with these instincts. Given a choice, a woman does not want a man that a) is shorter than she is and b) makes less than she does. Both things make her feel "dominant" and for most woman this kills attraction. As an example, one of my sisters makes almost 200K a year. She does not want to date a guy that makes less than she does, because it would make her feel "like the boss". One part of her wants the "lindz style relationship", the other part of her wants to be the corporate executive--yet they are basically diametrically opposed situations when she makes that much coin..
 

Xarpolis

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That type of thing "might" work out for your sister if she gets with a fairly broke guy and he treats her like a prostitute. She has to "give" him the money (like put it in a bank account or some shit), and he gives her a cut of it. That way, yes, she's still making a TON, but as far as the relationship is concerned, she isn't the boss.

It's difficult to manage, and a lot of guys will just look at it as a way to steal a lot of money from her, but if you can get the right kind of pimp attitude, it could work out.
 

Frenzied Wombat

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That type of thing "might" work out for your sister if she gets with a fairly broke guy and he treats her like a prostitute. She has to "give" him the money (like put it in a bank account or some shit), and he gives her a cut of it. That way, yes, she's still making a TON, but as far as the relationship is concerned, she isn't the boss.

It's difficult to manage, and a lot of guys will just look at it as a way to steal a lot of money from her, but if you can get the right kind of pimp attitude, it could work out.
She's basically priced herself out of the market. Every time I speak to her she bemoans the fact that "there are no good men in NYC" (lol?) and I remind her that at 39 years old if her expectation is to find a normal looking guy who makes 250K+ she'll be looking for quite some time. The 40 year old guy that makes that much money will be chasing 30 year old tail, while the 50 year old guy that makes that much will not be interested in having a child.