Marriage and the Power of Divorce

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You're right, that's just me.

Let's do a quick vote here, besides sexuality, who here treats their spouse like one of their buddies? Or treated them like that when they started dating?
I'm probably the odd man out here, but me and the wife have a great friendship that started before we were married (She was still married at the time.) She accuses me of treating her like 'one of the guys', and I probably do.

Hell if I know what you guys are talking about. Am I right?
 

Tuco

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My wife and I are bffs too, but our relationship is hugely different than what I have with my male friends.
 

Soygen

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We could make it the same, Tuco. You just keep shooting me down!
 

Gravy

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My wife and I are bffs too, but our relationship is hugely different than what I have with my male friends.
I guess that's true. I don't ogle chicks as much with my wife around, and I don't make as many comments as I would with my bros. I really can't think of anything else, though.
 

Dumar_sl

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Game is different than PUA. Yes, it has its roots in Strauss & Mystery, but it's grown beyond that, into more of an analysis of the psychosocial factors and behaviors of interpersonal relationships, and how those relationships have changed throughout the decades (and they have, without question), mostly between men and women (although sometimes gay as well). It is also 'self-help', but not just prescriptive, but descriptive, a science of crowdsourced observations mostly. Roissy will link dozens of university studies related to evo psych and psych in general however, and they almost always assert what the redpill avant-garde are saying.

Rollo's Sexual Market Value chart, for example, is very useful for understanding the motives behind a woman's behavior at a certain age point and how it changes as she continually ages. Is it accurate per observational science, or is human behavior just 'too complex' to be comprehensible? It without a doubt is predictive, and lots of guys find it to be quite accurate in understanding their woman or wife's behavior. We are still animals, and sexual choices and the mental schemas that make those choices are governed as animals, not rational human agents.

If you want to understand why your wife or girlfriend behaves a certain way, look up red pill thinking: it will help you.

Male-Female relationships aren't hugely different than male-male (assuming both heterosexual) relationships but then with a different angle of sexuality.
This is so completely, utterly wrong. If you date Sloth-faced whale women then sure, treat them like one of the bros. If you date any attractive, hypergamous, attention-seeking woman (especially Western), then there's no chance. Women have to be led, not treated as an equal if you wanna generate 'gina tingles. Bro-fiving her isn't the right strategy.

Sounds like he's asexual. It makes things a lot easier when not wanting sex comes naturally.
It's possible sure. I've never had that kind of conversation with him (nor will I). What if he's truly that disciplined of a person? I seriously look up to him. If more people were like him and women chose that kind of guy to have kids with, the world wouldtrulybe closer to a paradise for all of us.
 

a_skeleton_03

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You're right, that's just me.

Let's do a quick vote here, besides sexuality, who here treats their spouse like one of their buddies? Or treated them like that when they started dating?
Me, we grew up together since age 4 and she was one of a group of like four of us; my brother, my best friend, her, and myself. So three guys and one girl and we did everything together in high school. I treated every girl with an air of nonchalance buddyness and had girls hooked on that. I never went after any of them though, they came to me. Not because I was something special but because I wasn't putting them on some pedestal or scared of them or even looking to score.

One day one of her friends pulled me aside and told me she was desperately in love with me. I told her sure I would ask her out. We dates from 1997-2000 and got married January of 2000. Umm engaged like September of 1999.

Pure anecdotal but you can hang out with chicks just like you do with dudes. All the chicks that have hit on me since I have been married have been people like that also. We just hung out like normal humans and they started flirting with me until I notified them I was off the table. Only a few still didn't care and I had to avoid them. I am not a great looking guy so I have to assume it's the personality.
 

Tuco

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Aww how cute, I bet you had some good pics at your wedding....

err I mean, I'm glad you let those bitches know they have a place and you put them there...
 

Khane

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You're right, that's just me.

Let's do a quick vote here, besides sexuality, who here treats their spouse like one of their buddies? Or treated them like that when they started dating?
I think we're talking about 2 different things. Oh well.
 

chaos

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It's possible sure. I've never had that kind of conversation with him (nor will I). What if he's truly that disciplined of a person? I seriously look up to him. If more people were like him and women chose that kind of guy to have kids with, the world wouldtrulybe closer to a paradise for all of us.
How do you figure? Because of the population drop maybe there would be more resources for those of us who like to fuck?
 

Dumar_sl

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How do you figure? Because of the population drop maybe there would be more resources for those of us who like to fuck?
No, it would force women, who, as far as Western ones are concerned, have degenerated into a class of narcissistic whores that line up together in harems of what they believe are powerful men, to actually have the offspring of men who have qualities conducive to having a productive, progressive society, not a society of thugs.
 

Khane

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Like a society filled with morons who think that not owning a microwave somehow makes you a better person? Your utopia is about 1000 steps in the wrong direction.
 

Kirun

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He's posted enough of that shit though that any claim that he's trolling is bullshit in my mind.
The sign of a good troll is being just absurd enough that people attack you/get rustled for your "stance" on an issue, but not quite absurd enough that nobody couldgenuinelyharbor those thoughts on a topic (see Araysar's long running "troll" about Prometheus). With how buttmad some of you guys were at my "posts" and how convinced you all were that I'm just a huge misogynist/"woman hater", it obviously had some effect.

Now, how this troll came about is fairly simple/straightforward: A while back (I want to say over a year ago), Tardnoomba had just started in with her ridiculous stances on feminism, "rape", and other general dumbfuckery. Trollface was destroying her arguments pretty handily, but somewhere along the line a link to Rational Male got posted in response to something. At that point in time, I had never heard of Red Pill, Rollo, or Rational Male. I've read a lot of different PUA stuff, various books/articles on "game" or seduction, stuff like that. Well, after reading through some of the blog posts, it became a prime opportunity to be the antithesis of the bullshit Tardnoomba was preaching. The fact that it rustled so many of the Lindz nut huggers and white knights, as well as serving its original purpose, was just icing on the cake.

Essentially, I was posing as the other side of the coin to Tardnoomba, with the assumption thatsomeonewould have to eventually clue in on it, right? Surprisingly, nobody did (if they did, they kept silent about it, or are now playing revisionist history in an attempt to save face. "Hah! I knew you were trolling the whole time! You can't pull the wool over my eyes, Ruseman!"). I was close to being outed a few times and thought for sure that I was going to get discovered in the Butthurt White Guys thread, especially when Antarius started throwing around a bunch of links to Rational Male. Then, Trollface even posted a response to one of my "posts" saying, "Yeah, I read that this morning on RM. Good article.". I thought forsurethat I was done then, but most people were skimming over the posts at that point, I think. Tuco was the first one that seemingly had his Spidey Sense tingling and I almost gave up the ruse then, but after things died down, I kept it going, and when I still didn't get outed, I figured it was still safe. After Lejina's post, it was too obvious to anybody paying attention, so I copped to it.

Just to clear the record, do you agree with the general gist of what you posted or was it complete trolljob?
I agree with a lot of what Rollo says in regards to women, love, relationships, etc. and how it appliesgenerally(that word is very important). Men, women, the brain, and human psychology/interactions are complex enough that noteveryonecan be painted with a black or white brush. However, generalizations are very effective and useful tools, ones which we use daily. In fact, ourgeneralexperiences are how we form most of our opinions on literallyeverything. Now, obviously things don't apply to all women, all men, or all situations/circumstances - that's obvious to anyone. The thing is,generally, women, men, apes, ants, etc. behave a certain way and those patterns/triggers are relatively easy to figure out.

Where I think Rollo goes off the reservation and where I disagree with him almost entirely, is when he descends to near Lumie levels with his "feminist agenda" stuff. I think feminism and women as a whole are doing whateveryhuman being does - they are attempting to best serve their self interests. Unfortunately, that sometimes has unintended consequences, but I don't think it's some NWO plot to overthrow men.

With that said, I do think there is a fringe movement of "militant" feminists that are starting to havesomeeffect on legislation (so far, mostly in other countries), which is becoming a bit worrisome. Governing based on "feels" is absolutely one of the worst ways to govern and it's how you end up with things like the Patriot Act. Essentially, they are trying (in some cases even succeeding) to pass laws against problems that really don't exist.

So, like I said. I agree with some of Rollo'sgeneralprinciples, but I'm smart (cynical?) enough to realize that what probably started as a blog for "awareness", now often dives into obvious "click farming" territory.
 

Tenks

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You're right, that's just me.

Let's do a quick vote here, besides sexuality, who here treats their spouse like one of their buddies? Or treated them like that when they started dating?
I think many people in stable long term relationships will echo a yes here. Perhaps I have different interactions with my male friends but I have the sports friend, the work friend, the video game friend and then my wife who is my best friend. I've always had this tendency to specialize my friends probably to the hindrance to my social life. But just because my wife doesn't play video games or watch the Bengals with me doesn't make her less a friend. I do things with her I enjoy that I don't do with my male friends as well. I feel if you start to treat her differently because of her gender that only signals long term failure.