Marriage and the Power of Divorce

The man has finally worn my boy Gravy down. I sit with my brother in solidarity.

lindz_sl said:

Uh oh. Why do you need cheering up Gravy? Everything ok?

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Hehe, sorry folks, that was my lame attempt to have Lindz (who likes making people happy, I should have quoted that) 'cheer me up'.

Anyway, I was serious about the proofreading thing.

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We get it. You're ridiculously square. I read shit like that at 11.

A novel is a good place to learn about bad shit. It gives you enough space to humanize the participants and show that even small decisions can be meaningful. It's better to do it in writing than a film, since the experience of the reader is all that determines what they imagine based on what's being expressed. So somebody that hasn't had much exposure to this content will not be seeing Requiem for a Dream in their head.

The moralist platitudes of adults don't carry a lot of weight for many teens. Putting everything into context and sympathizing with their situation is more likely to deliver a message they'll actually respect.

a_skeleton_03's kids are most likely to be getting DP'ed in a Wal-Mart parking lot.

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing books get similar ratings as movies do. It would be helpful to parents and the general public reading. Until something like that happens, as parents we have to be conscious of the media our kids are taking it in be it internet, tv or books. The fact is, our kids are going to have a lot of experiences in their teenage years and it is our job to help guide them through that the best we can.

To think our teenagers have never heard of porn would be naive. That is truly the 'worst' that is in my first draft, the mention that a character (who is dead, so it's not something the main character ever sees) did nude films when she was breaking into the movie business. There is nothing gratuitous, it is just aimed at high schoolers rather than middle schoolers. And if - that is a huge if - the novel gets picked up by an agent/publisher, they then will help figure out what is or isn't appropriate for the age range.

lindz_sl said:

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing books get similar ratings as movies do. It would be helpful to parents and the general public reading. Until something like that happens, as parents we have to be conscious of the media our kids are taking it in be it internet, tv or books. The fact is, our kids are going to have a lot of experiences in their teenage years and it is our job to help guide them through that the best we can.

To think our teenagers have never heard of porn would be naive. That is truly the 'worst' that is in my first draft, the mention that a character (who is dead, so it's not something the main character ever sees) did nude films when she was breaking into the movie business. There is nothing gratuitous, it is just aimed at high schoolers rather than middle schoolers. And if - that is a huge if - the novel gets picked up by an agent/publisher, they then will help figure out what is or isn't appropriate for the age range.

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I'm not gonna judge the right and wrongs of your book or your ratings guideline, but I when I think of Young Adult, I think of 6th grade books, not high school. We were reading classic American lit as a standard curriculum by High School.

I think Young Adult has been skewed by Hunger Games which is kind of a weird book. I mean on one hand, the content is really a bit mature for a "Young Adult" book, but on the other hand, the writing is so shitty that labeling it as an adult novel would never fly.

YA is 16-25 from my wikipedia searching.

Teen is considered 10-15 and what most of you are thinking is YA.

aaron_sl said:

I did this with my dad. Well... not quite. He didn't read what I read, I read what he read. That is, mostly Playboy. I still remember the Kimberley Konrad Heffner special edition. Reading Playboys when you're 8-14 does actually explain a lot about why I am the way I am now in my mid 30s. Thanks dad!

... I think.

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Lol, holy fuck. My Dad had the same Kimberley Conrad special edition in his toilet situated magazine rack. I smuggled that bad boy into my basement dwelling for weeks of fap-fantastic fun. It's probably been 25 years but I still remember her perfect nips..

NoodleAnus_sl said:

YA is 16-25 from my wikipedia searching.

Teen is considered 10-15 and what most of you are thinking is YA.

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Do you even wiki bro?
Young-adult fiction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Young Adult Library Services Association (YALSA) of the American Library Association (ALA) defines a young adult as someone between the ages of twelve and eighteen.

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Yeah I see the next line, but authors who want to classify shit incorrectly doesn't seem like relevant info to me.

How the fuck could a 12 year old be considered a young adult? There's nothing adult about a 12 year old.

The Ancient, what you are missing is that there are different age ranges within YA. Obviously a 12 year old and an 18 year old have different interests. In the publishing world, books for twelve year olds are typically called Middle Grade although that isn't something you're going to find in a bookstore (forgive me if there actually is that section, we have like zero book stores around here anymore).

I'm also not saying that intend for this sort of book to be read *IN* highschool. It is not at all literature. It is a story about a 16 year old for people about the same age. It is pleasure reading, not something to be taken super seriously.

Something like 50 Shades of Grey is technically considered New Adult, yet another category that is not mainstream. It is intended for the post high school crowd: people 18 or over that are dealing with things like college, first loves, first jobs, etc.

So really, just because something is labeled YA doesn't mean it is appropriate for people anywhere between ages 12-18. The last Twilight for example has sex scenes in it. Yes it is fade to grey, but there are a lot of people that would not be comfortable with their 12 year old reading it. Those books are still clearly YA, you may just want to have prior knowledge of what themes are in the books to determine if it is appropriate for your kid.

Yeah, well also with Twilight and Harry Potter, the authors were smart enough to mature their tone as the books progressed.

The Ancient_sl said:

Yeah, well also with Twilight and Harry Potter, the authors were smart enough to mature their tone as the books progressed.

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I don't actually think that was a good thing. Yes the characters mature and age so the writing has to account for this on some level but realize too that the people that start the series and want to finish it may no longer fit in an age range that can read it.

The first Twilight is fine for a 13 year old girl, the last may not be even though she still wants to read it. The first Harry Potter was a children's novel intended for ten year olds. My daughter adores Harry Potter and read the first four when she was six. She can't read the fifth though because it is too scary and too hard for her to read. It really disappointed her because she is crazy into Harry Potter.

I don't think it is a good idea to isolate part of the audience that you already have.

This derail is super, SUPER gay. I'm just saying.

Eomer_sl said:

This derail is super, SUPER gay. I'm just saying.

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No shit, Take your YA book thread to the .....book section.

Tons of mods here in the "grown up" section and no one moderating anything but 2 dudes who say the Nword and one dude who thinks every word in the Nword.

Lets get this on topic, so who got divorced or would like too????

Well go get married and have some shit happen to you. Spice things up. IMO I don't think my place as a mod is to direct the flow of traffic. More like gun down the occasional robber, be it someone on a racist tirade or someone accidentally the whole McKayla pics.

Things are going good on my end.

NoodleAnus_sl said:

YA is 16-25 from my wikipedia searching.

Teen is considered 10-15 and what most of you are thinking is YA.

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Back in my day there was no teen. There was children's, YA, normal, and literature.

What is this goalposts moving bullcrap!