Marriage and the Power of Divorce

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chaos

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Yeah that shit blows my mind. Most of the people I know who talk to me about, "Oh yeah I'm going to get that next Friday when my paycheck comes in and I can afford it." or say, "Things are tight right now, I won't be able to pay for <some necessary item>" I just want to sit down with them and go over where they spend their money and see where the fat is.

My wife grew up in a family that spent everything they had, she came into our relationship with the 'afford' mentality. The kind of mentality that says, "If you want something and you can afford it, then get it.". She's very cheap and we don't have any financial arguments, but I had to break that mentality from her. I would tell her, "If you make your purchasing decisions based on what you can afford, you'll always be stuck making being limited by what you can afford."
I am terrible with money. I am trying to reverse that trend now, but I was never really taught to manage finances and never had any role model for that. I have been like you describe for a long time and am trying to model some of the guys who I work with who are much better with oney and save very well.
 

Mures

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Bolded part makes me wonder if they are just taking out loans, debt, credit cards to fund their lifestyle but they are otherwise totally at their limits. Or just cheap. Or both.
Just cheap, they literally have 0 debt, not even a mortgage.
 

Tenks

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I think the only time the slick dealing expensive suit wearing exotic car driving salesman works is if you making money also has him making money. So like stock brokers, car salesmen and things like that where either getting you the best possible deal benefits you both (and if he is rich he must have experience doing that) or where if you make $200k he cuts in $20k or whatever. So if he's rich he must be making everyone else rich. But I think for most other sales jobs (and probably the vast majority of sales jobs) that would be a detriment to your ability to close deals. They'd prefer to just know they're getting the lowest possible price and they'd see you as a middle man just jacking up prices to fill your own pockets.
 

Noodleface

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My wife is killing me with the new house and spending money. We had to do the whole down payment thing, she wanted a fence, then central AC. Feel like I am bleeding money. To everyone else I look like some rich bastard but in my head I'm screaming "FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!"

Happy to not be spending money now and just saving.
 

Phazael

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Khane_sl said:
Onoes, your friends are losers. Find friends who aren't. Unless you just keep them around because you like feeling superior to people.
This. The friends who I float regularly are younger ones who are just getting started in life and I don't mind fronting some to have their company when we are being social. They never ask for it, we just offer. When I was younger and poorer, I had friends who did the same for me, so I am just paying it forward. What you are doing is more akin to enabling people. I think your life would improve a lot of you moved on and got a new circle of friends, but then again a lot of the details about you suggest you are happy doing what you are doing, so there is that.
 

Alex

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I would have a much easier time with some financial situations if I wasn't always waiting for my company to pay me back for expense reports. I can travel 3-4 times per month and the employees always have to pay the cash upfront and we get reimbursed later. It can put some pressure on me financially - especially when I'm told "Hey, you have to go to NY in two weeks" and I suddenly am looking at a $2,000 hotel bill and a $500 flight while I'm still waiting to be paid back for the $1,700 business expense from last week. At least I get to rack up hotel rewards and FF miles since it's all on my account, but it is frustrating at times.

I really should probably have more faith in credit cards, but my parents taught me that they're evil and I don't ever want to be in more debt than I already am from school.
 

Soygen

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Are your work expenses going on a credit card or do you not use them at all? Credit cards are awesome if you pay them off every single billing cycle. Way too many perks to avoid them altogether. That said, if you're not able to control yourself, then avoiding them is definitely the better option.
 

Tenks

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Yeah I've never carried a credit card debt. I found out a few years ago my wife was carrying some credit card debt so I diverted all funds into paying that down/off. The interest rates are so fucking stupid on those. But I use my CC to pay for basically everything because it is way too convenient not to. But I don't use my CC as funny money I'm always aware of my balance and mentally deduct that from my checking.
 

Deathwing

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Something astronomically terrible would have to happen if I find myself needing 3-6 months worth of salary right now. That's a lot of fucking money.
I would have a much easier time with some financial situations if I wasn't always waiting for my company to pay me back for expense reports. I can travel 3-4 times per month and the employees always have to pay the cash upfront and we get reimbursed later. It can put some pressure on me financially - especially when I'm told "Hey, you have to go to NY in two weeks" and I suddenly am looking at a $2,000 hotel bill and a $500 flight while I'm still waiting to be paid back for the $1,700 business expense from last week. At least I get to rack up hotel rewards and FF miles since it's all on my account, but it is frustrating at times.

I really should probably have more faith in credit cards, but my parents taught me that they're evil and I don't ever want to be in more debt than I already am from school.
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I'm just being cheeky. I am interested in your response though to my post where I asked what you'd do if you got fired, or had to float a big house repair, buy a new car, etc. No credit cards makes those situations even harder to handle.
 

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This kind of thing was always crazy to me. I, for some reason or another, have always had really good tendencies with money and spend well below my means, saving/investing 40% of my income every year since I was 18. It was strange to read Mr. Money Mustache as I wanted to improve my finances but ended up already doing most everything he mentioned. Short of having a hobby that pays well, because fuck being a carpenter for fun like that guy.

My woman however, I have had to pull tooth and nail to get in line with having DECENT financial habits. God damn is she frustrating. I've got her to attack her student debt, I don't let her have credit cards outside of the joint one I let her use for business expenses and her $500 one. She's slowly coming around and is just about to finish paying off her student loans though. Thank god she now has a job working in a Financial company and is understanding investing and 401k and shit though.
 

Cad

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Business salesmen that court C-titles of other companies for business to business sales are different than like car salesmen or whatever that you might be used to seeing. Also many real estate agents show off a lot of flash because if they are rich, they must sell a lot of houses. If they sell a lot of houses, they can sell yours. Success gives more success. Business sales are kind of the same thing, businessmen who need to buy a product will buy from a more successful salesman because they'll see it as following the herd and thats a more "safe" route. You can argue this isn't smart, but it happens. Enough that it is common practice for salesmen to be blinged out.

As for being cheap, I don't mind paying for things, but I don't see why I should pay just because I have more money. I'm not cheap on tips or nickel and diming things, but I will find new friends in a hurry if I thought they were mooching off me just because they perceive me to have more money. The way Onoes was wording it, it seemed like he was saying "this guy is wealthy, why can't he pay for me" which is bullshit.
 

Alex

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I'm just being cheeky. I am interested in your response though to my post where I asked what you'd do if you got fired, or had to float a big house repair, buy a new car, etc. No credit cards makes those situations even harder to handle.
I actually got a credit card before I went to Europe last month because Capitol One has a credit card with zero foreign transaction fees. That had to save me so much cash while I was over there. I already paid it off and used it for my NY trip next week. The company's accounting firm can be so damn slow sometimes though. I might not get the money back until the billing cycle has passed. I have no idea how these things work though.

When I made the original comment I guess had more to do with the high end of your range. Five or six months worth of income is a LOT of cash. It's probably smart, but I'm not very smart. I live in this city which is probably the worst financial decision I've ever made - even though I'm taking more home than I did in Cincinnati. I die a little inside whenever I write that rent check.
 

Eomer

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My friend, a dentist, makes around $150k/year fresh out of college. Told me his school loans are in the order of $400,000 and his monthly payment is something absurd like $3000 (not sure what plan he is).

I think ya'll bros are overthinking it and crazy. When I go out with friends, usually the same ones each time, we take turns paying for shit. I paid last weekend, so this weekend someone else pays. I don't pay for people unless I know they're hard off and don't mind - the last thing I want to do is insult someone by treating them like they're poor.
Personally, I quite like the credit card roulette when you've got a huge bill to split between 8 dudes on a guys trip or something. Hilarity always ensues. Unless you card comes up. Then fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccckckkkk

Damn Khane you are cold as fuck. Someone falls on hard times and you just cut them loose like that?
A couple of my good friends are in their early 30s and are pretty much in the same place they were when they graduated high school. That's not my fault, that's their fault. I shouldn't have to feel bad if they agree to come out for dinner or drinks that they can't afford it, it was their choice to come. Similarly, I shouldn't have to think "shit, should I not extend the invite to our whole WhatsApp chat group because Bill/Tim are fucking dead beats and I'll feel obligated to pay if they show up?" Fuck that. They're my boys and I love them, and I'll occasionally help them out, but their problems are not my fucking problems.

No, you don't have to cut them loose. I hope I'll know those couple guys for the rest of my life. But if you're in Onoes' situation and apparentlyevery single one of your friends is a dead beat, then it's time to stop and reconsider who you're hanging out with.
 

Frenzied Wombat

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I would have a much easier time with some financial situations if I wasn't always waiting for my company to pay me back for expense reports. I can travel 3-4 times per month and the employees always have to pay the cash upfront and we get reimbursed later. It can put some pressure on me financially - especially when I'm told "Hey, you have to go to NY in two weeks" and I suddenly am looking at a $2,000 hotel bill and a $500 flight while I'm still waiting to be paid back for the $1,700 business expense from last week. At least I get to rack up hotel rewards and FF miles since it's all on my account, but it is frustrating at times.

I really should probably have more faith in credit cards, but my parents taught me that they're evil and I don't ever want to be in more debt than I already am from school.
Credit cards aren't evil. Getting credit cards that have a limit beyond anything you could ever afford paying back, and abusing those limits, is evil. It's like the plastic version of the gun control argument.

Floating these business/travel expenses really shouldn't be a concern as long as your payroll department reimburses you within 20-25 days or so. If they aren't, you have a legitimate complaint because basically they are expecting YOU to float the charges (and possibly pay interest) rather than your credit card company.

Get yourself an AMEX card (so you have to pay it each month) and just use that exclusively for business expenses. Then setup automated statements that go to your admin or accounting department automatically, in addition to whatever potential manual expense report they expect. Depending on how much you expense/travel, expect enough reward points at the end of the year to buy yourself a free airline ticket or electronic gizmo.
 

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We've already established in this thread 50% of Americans can't even scrape together $2000 in 30 days. So it isn't out of the realm they spend every dime on luxuries.
I can do $60k on 3 total empty cards and probably $2k in cash on any day without touching any 401K or the kids college savings. Right now that cash is so low after a move from Germany and $6k out of pocket last year for medical bills.

How can people not be able to pull that much money together?! We aren't exactly frugal.
 

iannis

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I am terrible with money. I am trying to reverse that trend now, but I was never really taught to manage finances and never had any role model for that. I have been like you describe for a long time and am trying to model some of the guys who I work with who are much better with oney and save very well.
Its really its own difficulty being good with money. You basically have to learn how to not want stuff.

As a single guy with one addiction and intentionally cheap hobbies that part is fairly easy for me. But you add a wife and kids into the mix and all of a sudden it's not so selfish to want stuff. After all, what the fuck is money for if it's not to grease the squeaky joints.
 

chaos

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Yeah I am really trying to change my own mentality to "what do we NEED?" I spend more on food than is necessary, probably some other stuff too. But I am trying hard to focus on needs. Getting my wife to do that? Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiit........................... .
 

The Master

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I would have a much easier time with some financial situations if I wasn't always waiting for my company to pay me back for expense reports. I can travel 3-4 times per month and the employees always have to pay the cash upfront and we get reimbursed later. It can put some pressure on me financially - especially when I'm told "Hey, you have to go to NY in two weeks" and I suddenly am looking at a $2,000 hotel bill and a $500 flight while I'm still waiting to be paid back for the $1,700 business expense from last week. At least I get to rack up hotel rewards and FF miles since it's all on my account, but it is frustrating at times.

I really should probably have more faith in credit cards, but my parents taught me that they're evil and I don't ever want to be in more debt than I already am from school.
I average 4% back on everything I spend except for my mortgage, because everything goes on rewards cards. In your case look at all your business expenses that you get 100% reimbursed for. Now add 4% on top of that. That would be cash in your pocket with the right rewards cards. Check out fatwallet.com/finance, sticky at the top has a list of every good rewards card currently available. There are 2% on everything cards, 5% on gas/groceries/drugstore, 5% on hotels/travel, etc. Just pay them off every month. $2,500 bill could be $125 in rewards.
 

Ortega

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It really amazes me how many people don't have rewards cards. You're literally paying 2% more voluntarily. The funny thing is I have told countless friends, family members, and acquaintances to get a rewards card and 90% of them are like "Oh, I don't like credit cards!" which is even more baffling. If your card is stolen you're not liable, you get cash back, it's easy to carry and use, and in many cases can more easily track your expenses.

To stay on topic I find it extremely hilarious how women save money by spending. I can't even count the amount of women I've met (my wife included) who saved $10.00 by buying some $100.00 item that was 10% off. It just cracks me up. I constantly have to tell her, no you didn't save anything. You spent $90.00. Thankfully she's pretty good with her money, but still that mentality always made me laugh and seems to be extremely pervasive throughout society.