Marriage and the Power of Divorce

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khalid

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One of the possible downsides of being homeschooled is how socially inept or sheltered you can become. That was a non issue with me.
I'm curious, why do you say this wasn't a problem for you? Was this because you were able to get out enough such that it wasn't a problem? I mean, probably 90% of my socialization with others was at school, so I find it hard to see how homeschoolers aren't setting themselves horribly back on this front.

I mean, heck, the cutoff from contact is basically intentional for many of the parents it seems. They don't want their kids to be influenced by others.
 

Agraza

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In all my experience with homeschooled kids, most of them are not good at dealing with social norms and dip into stupid responses for why they should be allowed to do whatever. Religious people are always the worst. Dudes are worse than chicks. Chicks do that whether they're home-schooled or not. Most dudes actually take those reality checks in high school seriously while girls retreat to their "let's lie to each other" circle jerk of bffs all the time. This is purely anecdotal.
 

Famm

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I'll throw in what could be perceived as a weird fact about me, but oh well. I was homeschooled through High School, though I believe it wasn't your typical homeschool experience.
My parents didn't homeschool me for them to be the ones to teach me, to shelter me from the evils of high school, or any of that, we really just saw it as an opportunity to take things at my own pace, and it would also give me the opportunity to not be constrained by a calendar. They always gave me the choice to go to a normal high school if I wanted to, but I started noticing some of the benefits of being homeschooled so I never did.

First of all, my parents hired tutors/teachers to teach me the tough stuff, the rest I studied on my own. If I found it too difficult, I'd get a tutor, if I could understand it enough on my own, then I studied it on my own. It gave me a lot of independence and discipline since the first year I slacked of a lot, after all it was the year that EQ came out. The great thing was that since I wan's chained to a calendar, I could travel, or do certain activities and at one point have a part time job that with a regular High school schedule I wouldn't have been able to do. That's how I learned English, I travelled to the US for a couple of months to really learn it.

I'm also someone that doesn't have a hard time meeting people. One of the possible downsides of being homeschooled is how socially inept or sheltered you can become. That was a non issue with me.

When I went to college I thought it was gonna be tough to go to be in a school environment, but it was actually much easier than I expected at the time.

Anyways, sometimes I look back and sure, I think that I would have liked to live through the typical high school experience, but I LOVED the way I did it and will likely give my kids the same choice.
Are you saying you only did high school or all your life until college was homeschooled? Also, not being from the US might be a whole different ball game with the homeschooling experience.
 

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I had a good friend that was pulled from school in 4th grade and home schooled until college. His family was weird as shit and highly religious. He wasn't even allowed to have a Metallica CD.

He now goes on cross-country bike rides and lives off the land. He's a weird dude.. I follow his twitter..
 

BrutulTM

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All the homeschoolers I know, and I know a few, are doing it for religious reasons or in one case possibly just because the Mom is a massive control freak. That said, some of the kids do have the choice about whether to go to school or stay home and they choose to stay home.
 

Feien

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I'm curious, why do you say this wasn't a problem for you? Was this because you were able to get out enough such that it wasn't a problem? I mean, probably 90% of my socialization with others was at school, so I find it hard to see how homeschoolers aren't setting themselves horribly back on this front. I mean, heck, the cutoff from contact is basically intentional for many of the parents it seems. They don't want their kids to be influenced by others.
I've always been more of an extrovert, and I like putting myself in positions to meet new people. Plus, like I mentioned I wasn't in my house all the time, I had a few part time jobs for a while (a waiter, and also ran sound for events, and was part of a summer camp's staff). I still hung out with friends from my neighborhood, so I wasn't avoiding social activities, (went to parties, played team sports, went out to movies) so yeah I got out quite a bit, I mean I was busy with what I was learning, but you could say not as busy as if I had been in school. But you are right, most of the homeschoolers I've met are rarely that good dealing with social norms, my best guess is because they were too sheltered from being to social, which is why it tends to be religious people who fall into this category.

Are you saying you only did high school or all your life until college was homeschooled? Also, not being from the US might be a whole different ball game with the homeschooling experience.
I started doing homeschooling in what would be 8th grade. Not being from the US might have benefited, but we got the idea and information from a religious type from the US, so you could argue that I drank from the same kool-aid, it just didn't affect me, just like people in the US get Mono which is something I had never heard of until I moved here.
 

iannis

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Really? How do you not have mono?

I had mono when I was 14 I think. It was 2 days of an intense fever and then it was over. Shit was weird. And I didn't have to go to school for a week. Fuckin' SCORE. Besides for chicken pox, which I barely remember having as a 6 year old, it was the first time I can remember having been truly sick.

Mono is just strange. Even stranger, no one else in my class got it. And it actually was mono, not just some random flu.
 

The Ancient_sl

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I went to public school and never got Mono.

Anyway, I think Homeschooling can be done successfully, it just never is because the people who are attracted to it are all religious nutjobs.
 

Phazael

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I've known five families that home schooled over the years. Four were jesus freaks and the fifth were lawyers and the mom was a control freak. In the fifth case, the moment the parents divorced, the kid went to regular school and a lot of the kid's anxiety issues magically went away. Home schooling creates social retardation, at least in 'merica.
 

BrutulTM

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I've known five families that home schooled over the years. Four were jesus freaks and the fifth were lawyers and the mom was a control freak. In the fifth case, the moment the parents divorced, the kid went to regular school and a lot of the kid's anxiety issues magically went away. Home schooling creates social retardation, at least in 'merica.
You think the kid's anxiety could have had anything to do with his parents marriage falling apart? I wouldn't personally home school my kids, but you're going way to far by saying it "causes social retardation". The homeschool kids I know are just like any other kids and the ones that have grown up and gone out in the world are doing just fine in college and beyond. There are undeniable benefits to having a teacher that genuinely gives a damn about you and is only concerned about you and not 150 other kids that they see every day. Keeping your kids from finding out about evolution isn't the only benefit of home schooling.
 

Khane

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You think the kid's anxiety could have had anything to do with his parents marriage falling apart? I wouldn't personally home school my kids, but you're going way to far by saying it "causes social retardation". The homeschool kids I know are just like any other kids and the ones that have grown up and gone out in the world are doing just fine in college and beyond. There are undeniable benefits to having a teacher that genuinely gives a damn about you and is only concerned about you and not 150 other kids that they see every day. Keeping your kids from finding out about evolution isn't the only benefit of home schooling.
Let me ask you this. How the hell is Mommy McHousewife going to teach a kid Calculus AND Biology AND Trig AND Physics AND Chemistry AND Geometry AND English AND etc etc etc? The kid is going to have to teach themself and has nobody they can go to when they have real problems with the work.

Home schooling is retarded unless you are actually hiring tutors for all that shit who know the subjects they are teaching. I got home schooled for one year, in 7th grade, and my mother quickly realized she would be stunting my social growth and my education if she continued to home school me throughout high school.
 

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My brother had some problems (suicidal) in highschool and was able to finish his diploma from home. The highschool actually send tutors to the house to teach him all of his classes at home (at night). They didn't even charge my mother. No idea how that worked.

I thought it was a GED program but it was actually just a regular high school diploma.
 

Famm

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There's also a segment of homeschoolers who are more the anti-establishment, new age, hippy ass type of people who believe in magic crystals and organic food and healing everything with herbs or whatever other dumb shit. They tend to use the term "unschooling" though but just a different flavor of religious style fervor IMO.
 

BrutulTM

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Let me ask you this. How the hell is Mommy McHousewife going to teach a kid Calculus AND Biology AND Trig AND Physics AND Chemistry AND Geometry AND English AND etc etc etc? The kid is going to have to teach themself and has nobody they can go to when they have real problems with the work.
If Mommy has a college degree then she's got as much education as most high school teachers. High school level of all that shit is pretty trivial for anyone with a brain in their head and I think people do tend to get tutors for their kids in subjects that they know that they are weak in. I'm not saying that there are no downsides to home schooling, but it seems like several people in this thread have a chip on their shoulder on this topic for some reason.
 

Eidal

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I don't even have a college degree (halfway through CS degree) and I'm absolutely certain I could out-perform any HS teacher if I only had one pupil. This isn't the 50s; you can find pre-built curriculum online for free. Anyone decently intelligent that gives a shit could whip together a full semester curriculum over the weekend and absolutely demolish the bullshit that we call public education in the USA.

I don't think this would be optimal for my kid, though.
 

Feien

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Let me ask you this. How the hell is Mommy McHousewife going to teach a kid Calculus AND Biology AND Trig AND Physics AND Chemistry AND Geometry AND English AND etc etc etc? The kid is going to have to teach themself and has nobody they can go to when they have real problems with the work.

Home schooling is retarded unless you are actually hiring tutors for all that shit who know the subjects they are teaching. I got home schooled for one year, in 7th grade, and my mother quickly realized she would be stunting my social growth and my education if she continued to home school me throughout high school.
Yeah like I mentioned, I had tutors for those things I couldn't pull off on my own, and I think it can be terrible idea if a parent attempts to learn the stuff so they can try and teach it to their kids. But like BrutulTM said "There are undeniable benefits to having a teacher that genuinely gives a damn about you." Most of my tutors were incredible. Not only do I know I learned quite a bit, I enjoyed most of it (fuck you Chemistry and Calculus).

Yes, with how most people go about homeschooling, you can end up leading your kids into "social retardation." I've met plenty of these kids. But if done right, with the right type of kid (I think the personality of the kid is also important) it can be very good. I know it gave me the discipline to pursue things I enjoy and to try and teach myself challenging things. That's how I learned photography, cinematography, editing among other things, which is what I do professionally these days, and I make a very decent living. Not only that, I love what I do. I couldn't see myself in a place doing something I don't somewhat enjoy, like a cubicle crunching numbers.
 

Eidal

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Being smart and being able to teach are two different things.
I was going to argue that, but... yea, you're right. It'd be stupid to deny that there are multiple manifestations of intelligence. When I think of "intelligence", I think of a broad all-purpose intellect that performs above-average in all fields and can self-analyze and self-improve. I'm sure there are many "smart at this, bad at that" people out there and I think a lot of that is just laziness/apathy. Kinda like the guys in the military who would say things like "I suck at running". No, motherfucker, you just don't run.

That being said, this is not an all or nothing proposition. If a parent mistakenly thought that they could teach but they actually can't, they will find that out in short order when their kid performs poorly on standardized tests and they can shut it all down and find someone else. If they're unwilling to do that, then they aren't as smart as they thought they were.